Author Topic: Creating Saints To Sugarcoat ? (Read 2835 times)

Ambrose · « **Reply #10 on:** December 21, 2013, 08:46:53 PM »

Quote from: crossbro

I don't think he is making up theology, he is speaking about the process not theology.

In a way it is WORSE that a formal system is used to name liberals as saints as it makes it look more legitimate.

Well, if he thinks I am mischaracterizing his position, I am sure he will correct me. Neil Obstat is not shy.

I have debated this with him before. The process has absolutely nothing to do with the validity of a canonization. The process is a tool used by the Popes to assist them in making their judgment, nothing more.

It appears to me that those who are disgusted by these canonizations are trying to change the theology to give them a reason to reject these canonizations.

There is in reality only one way, and that is the way they are refusing to consider.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #11 on:** December 22, 2013, 03:02:48 AM »

Quote from: Ambrose

This is made up new theology. The Pope is never bound to the process of canonization. The Pope has the power to change the process or even eliminate it.

A Saint is canonized by the act of the Pope declaring the person a Saint. The process is only to advise the Pope, it does not bind the Pope.

When a Pope declares a Saint for the universal Church, it is an infallible and in changeable act, and all must submit and believe the Pope under pain of mortal sin.

You're mixed up on this just like you are on other matters, Ambrose.

Provide the reference that says anyone who does not recognize a particular 'saint' is thereby committing a "mortal sin."

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poche · « **Reply #12 on:** December 25, 2013, 02:57:05 AM »

And I tie this in with Pope Francis, heretics new drive on telling the lay people to evangelize. To me the message being sent is that the failure and decay in the Church is because of the failure of the laity to evangelize and not to mention the self-centered selfish traditionalists that will not hug Fred and Ed who come skipping into Church holding hands.

I believe this is incorrect. We all have a part in the evangelization of the world. We go to places where there are no Catholic priests. By living the holiness that God calls us to we can bring in those people who would never go to mass or hear what the priest had to say. You never know who your good example might inspire.

poche · « **Reply #13 on:** December 25, 2013, 03:02:37 AM »

I know a NO priest who during the masses has been begging the parish to go out and invite all their friends and family to come back to the Church.

that is what he should be saying. Traditionalist priessts should be saying that too.