Author Topic: Vatican II Errors (Read 14151 times)

Cantarella · « **Reply #10 on:** February 03, 2015, 03:34:12 PM »

Quote from: Bellator Dei

I don't understand what you are trying to prove here. IF ANY poison is mixed with truth, it is false.

Would you not like to really know what exactly is that you are rejecting from Vatican II Council?. That is the basis for your attendance in a SSPX Chapel, is not it? There is a real dangerous attitude among traditionalists of "don't give me any facts, I have made up my mind" which is not conductive to the actual truth, but following cults and personalities. It seems that most trads are actually AFRAID of discovering they have been missing the real enemy all along and most have not even really laid eyes upon the Vatican II docuмents.

This is a great thread for intellectual honesty, Ladislaus.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #11 on:** February 03, 2015, 03:34:20 PM »

Perhaps a pattern can be seen emerging here? If you're hostile to "Feeneyism" and accept the principles of Suprema Haec ... which 99% of Traditional Catholics do ... is there really any "error" in Vatican II? John Paul II kissing a Koran and getting cow dung smeared on his forehead doesn't count as an error of the Vatican II Magisterium. Nor do clown Masses and altar girls.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #12 on:** February 03, 2015, 03:40:21 PM »

Quote from: Cantarella

Quote from: Bellator Dei

I don't understand what you are trying to prove here. IF ANY poison is mixed with truth, it is false.

Would you not like to really know what exactly is that you are rejecting from Vatican II Council?. That is the basis for your attendance in a SSPX Chapel, is not it? There is a real dangerous attitude among traditionalists of "don't give me any facts, I have made up my mind" which is not conductive to the actual truth, but following cults and personalities. It seems that most trads are actually AFRAID of discovering they have been missing the real enemy all along and most have not even really laid eyes upon the Vatican II docuмents.

This is a great thread for intellectual honesty, Ladislaus.

Indeed, for most Traditional Catholics the sum total of their resistance can be summed up with, "I like Latin, communion while kneeling and on the tongue, and nice vestments" and can't stand "clown Masses, altar girls, communion in the hand, people immodestly dressed and acting irreverently in church". Most Traditional Catholics have, I wager, never read the docuмents of Vatican II. They just throw buzz words out there like "Religious Liberty" and "Ecuмenism" without being able even to define these terms. OUR IMMORTAL SOULS ARE AT STAKE. I take this very seriously. This isn't just some political protest movement. I deeply ponder and pray about and re-evaluate my positions and my thinking on the matter every day and nearly during every waking moment.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #13 on:** February 03, 2015, 03:44:30 PM »

Even as a "Feeneyite" I could probably stomach Lumen Gentium were it to be taken in isolation. There's ambiguity, implied corollaries, etc. but I cannot detect any direct, postive error that cannot be reconciled with Tradition. We'll get to Unitatis Redintegratio; that's where the "fun" will begin. But, again, even there, I will try to demonstrate that it all flows logically from the very same ecclesiology and soteriology that most Traditional Catholics themselves hold.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #14 on:** February 03, 2015, 03:52:00 PM »

Quote from: Bellator Dei

Quote from: Cantarella
Would you not like to really know what exactly is that you are rejecting from Vatican II Council?.

Do you honestly believe that I don't know what it is that I reject from the counter council? C'mon

Just like the Pope Leo XIII says....it's poison

Pope Leo XIII called Vatican II poison? I was unaware of that prophecy.