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    Vatican Docuмent Affirms that not only do the Jєωs share our Religion, but the Torah is the Word of God just as Jesus Christ is the Word of God. Was this the final docuмentation of the Apostasy set up in 1958 to play itself out now? If so, why be so mad at Francis?


    Vatican Curia
    “The Gifts and the Calling of God Are Irrevocable” (Rom 11:29) 


     Created: December 10, 2015  Written by Commission for Religious Relations with the Jєωs
    A Reflection on Theological Questions Pertaining to Catholic-Jєωιѕн Relations on the Occasion of the 50th Anniversary of Nostra Aetate(No. 4)


    PREFACE

    Fifty years ago, the declaration “Nostra aetate” of the Second Vatican Council was promulgated. Its fourth article presents the relationship between the Catholic Church and the Jєωιѕн people in a new theological framework [In other words, a new doctrine is being taught now by the NewChurch concerning the Jєωs. This new doctrine started being taught in 1965]. The following reflections aim at looking back with gratitude on all that has been achieved over the last decades in the Jєωιѕн–Catholic relationship, providing at the same time a new stimulus for the future. Stressing once again the unique status of this relationship within the wider ambit of interreligious dialogue, theological questions are further discussed, such as the relevance of revelation, the relationship between the Old and the New Covenant, the relationship between the universality of salvation in Jesus Christ and the affirmation that the covenant of God with Israel has never been revoked, and the Church’s mandate to evangelize in relation to Judaism. This docuмent presents Catholic reflections on these questions, placing them in a theological context, in order that their significance may be deepened for members of both faith traditions. The text is not a magisterial docuмent or doctrinal teaching of the Catholic Church, but is a reflection prepared by the Commission for Religious Relations with the Jєωs on current theological questions that have developed since the Second Vatican Council. It is intended to be a starting point for further theological thought with a view to enriching and intensifying the theological dimension of Jєωιѕн–Catholic dialogue.

    1. A brief history of the impact of “Nostra aetate” (No.4) over the last 50 years
    1. “Nostra aetate” (No.4) is rightly counted among those docuмents of the Second Vatican Council which have been able to effect, in a particularly striking manner, a new direction of the Catholic Church since then [It changes the very purpose of the Church. As John Paul II emphasized the Church's purpose now is to proclaim to the world a salvation that the world already possesses. No need to apply sanctification to souls]. This shift in the relations of the Church with the Jєωιѕн people and Judaism becomes apparent only when we recall that there were previously great reservations on both sides, in part because the history of Christianity has been seen to be discriminatory against Jєωs [After being one of the great protectors of the Jєωs throughout the history of Christendom --- without failing in its desire to convert], even including attempts at forced conversion (cf. “Evangelii gaudium”, 248). The background of this complex connection consists inter alia in an asymmetrical relationship: as a minority the Jєωs were often confronted by and dependent upon a Christian majority. The dark and terrible shadow of the Shoah over Europe during the nαzι period led the Church to reflect anew on her bond with the Jєωιѕн people [So here we are, it was the years of National Socialist persecution of the Jєωs or the "h0Ɩ0cαųst" that is the reason why Catholic teaching and attitudes HAD to change].
    2. The fundamental esteem for Judaism [How can we have "esteem" for a non-Catholic religion that denies the Divinity of Christ and His Salvific Act] expressed in “Nostra aetate” (No.4) however has enabled communities that once faced one another with scepticism to become [Isn't this a completely disingenuous understatement]– step by step over the years – reliable partners and even good friends, [Partners in what? Possessing a friendship based on which "good"?] capable of weathering crises together 
    and negotiating conflicts positively. Therefore, the fourth article of “Nostra aetate” is recognised as the solid foundation for improving the relationship between Catholics and Jєωs.

    3. For the practical implementation of “Nostra aetate” (No.4), Blessed Pope Paul VI on 22 October 1974 established the Commission for Religious Relations with the Jєωs which, although organisationally attached to the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity, is operationally independent and entrusted with the task of accompanying and fostering religious dialogue with Judaism. From a theological perspective it also makes good sense to link this Commission with the Council for Promoting Christian Unity, since the separation between ѕуηαgσgυє and Church may be viewed as the first and most far-reaching breach among the chosen people [St. Paul call your office! If this does not deny the entirety of the Apostolic Mandate and the very Purpose of the Church, I do not know what does. Also, what this means is that Heretics, Schismatics, and Jєωs are all part of the "Chosen People" --- now!].

    4. Within a year of its foundation, the Holy See’s Commission published its first official docuмent on 1 December 1974, with the title “Guidelines and Suggestions for Implementing the Conciliar Declaration Nostra Aetate (No.4)”. The crucial and new concern of this docuмent consists in becoming acquainted with Judaism as it defines itself, giving expression to the high esteem in which Christianity holds Judaism and stressing the great significance for the Catholic Church of dialogue with the Jєωs, as stated in the words of the docuмent: “On the practical level in particular, Christians must therefore strive to acquire a better knowledge of the basic components of the religious tradition of Judaism: they must strive to learn by what essential traits the Jєωs define themselves in the light of their own religious experience” (Preamble). On the basis of the Church’s witness of faith in Jesus Christ, the docuмent reflects upon the specific nature of the Church’s dialogue with Judaism. Reference is made in the text to the roots of Christian liturgy in its Jєωιѕн matrix, new possibilities are outlined for rapprochement in the spheres of teaching, education and training, and finally suggestions are made for joint social action.

    5. Eleven years later on 24 June 1985, the Holy See’s Commission issued a second docuмent entitled “Notes on the correct way to present the Jєωs and Judaism in preaching and catechesis in the Roman Catholic Church”. This docuмent has a stronger theological-exegetical orientation insofar as it reflects on the relationship of the Old and New Testaments, delineates the Jєωιѕн roots of the Christian faith, explicates the manner in which ‘the Jєωs’ are represented in the New Testament, points out commonalities in liturgy, above all in the great festivals of the church year, and briefly focuses on the relationship of Judaism and Christianity in history. With regard to the “land of the forefathers” the docuмent emphasizes: “Christians are invited to understand this religious attachment which finds its roots in Biblical tradition, without however making their own any particular religious interpretation of this relationship. … The existence of the State of Israel and its political options should be envisaged not in a perspective which is in itself religious, but in their reference to the common principles of international law.” The permanence of Israel is however to be perceived as an “historic fact and a sign to be interpreted within God’s design [Could "the permanence of Israel" [i.e., the Zionist State of Israel] be one of the central reasons why a Revolution in the Catholic Church was seen as "needed" was back in 1958]” (VI, 1).

    6. A third docuмent of the Commission for Religious Relations with the Jєωs was presented to the public on 16 March 1998. It deals with the Shoah under the title “We remember. A reflection on the Shoah”. This text delivers the harsh but accurate judgement that the balance of the 2000–year relationship between Jєωs and Christians is regrettably negative. It recalls the attitude of Christians towards the anti-Semitism of the National Socialists and focuses on the duty of Christians to remember the human catastrophe of the Shoah [We remember here the statement by Benedict XVI that if he knew that Bishop Richard Williamson did not accept that 6 million Jєωs were gased by the Germans, he would not have lifted the excommunication against him. As if giving historical recognition to a secular event --- whether true or false --- is a requirement for membership in the Church of Jesus Christ, the Catholic Church]. In a letter at the beginning of this declaration Saint Pope John Paul II expresses his hope that this docuмent will truly “help to heal the wounds of past misunderstandings and injustices. May it enable memory to play its necessary part in the process of shaping a future in which the unspeakable iniquity of the Shoah will never again be possible.”

    7. In the series of docuмents issued by the Holy See, reference must be made to the text published by the Pontifical Biblical Commission on 24 May 2001, which deals explicitly with Jєωιѕн-Catholic dialogue: “The Jєωιѕн People and their Sacred Scriptures in the Christian Bible”. This represents the most significant exegetical and theological docuмent of the Jєωιѕн-Catholic dialogue and is a treasure-trove of common issues which have their basis in the Scriptures of Judaism and Christianity. The Sacred Scriptures of the Jєωιѕн people are considered a “fundamental component of the Christian Bible”, the fundamental themes of the Holy Scripture of the Jєωιѕн people and their adoption into the faith in Christ are discussed, and the manner in which Jєωs are represented in the New Testament is illustrated in detail.

    8. Texts and docuмents, as important as they are, cannot replace personal encounters and face–to–face dialogues. While under Blessed Pope Paul VI the first steps in Jєωιѕн–Catholic dialogue were undertaken, Saint Pope John Paul II succeeded in fostering and deepening this dialogue through compelling gestures towards the Jєωιѕн people. He was the first pope to visit the former cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρ of Auschwitz-Birkenau to pray for the victims of the Shoah, and he visited the Roman ѕуηαgσgυє to express his solidarity with the Jєωιѕн community [what does "solidarity with the Jєωιѕн community" mean? Solidarity in what?]. In the context of an historical pilgrimage to the Holy Land, he was also a guest of the state of Israel where he participated in interreligious encounters, paid a visit to both Chief Rabbis and prayed at the Western Wall. Again and again he met with Jєωιѕн groups, whether in the Vatican or during his numerous apostolic journeys. So too Benedict XVI, even before his election to the papacy, engaged in Jєωιѕн-Catholic dialogue by offering in a series of lectures important theological reflections on the relationship between the Old and the New Covenant, and the ѕуηαgσgυє and the Church. Following his election and in the footsteps of Saint Pope John Paul II he fostered this dialogue in his own way by reinforcing the same gestures and giving expression to his esteem for Judaism through the power of his words. As Archbishop of Buenos Aires, Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio was greatly committed to fostering Jєωιѕн-Catholic dialogue and had many friends among the Jєωs of Argentina. Now as Pope he continues, at the international level, to intensify dialogue with Judaism through many friendly encounters. One of his first such encounters was in May 2014 in Israel, where he met with the two Chief Rabbis, visited the Western Wall, and prayed for the victims of the Shoah [Again.]in Yad Vashem.

    9. Even before the establishment of the Holy See’s Commission, there were contacts and links with various Jєωιѕн organisations through the then Secretariat for Promoting Christian Unity. Since Judaism is multi-facetted and not constituted as an organisational unity, the Catholic Church was faced with the challenge of determining with whom to engage, because it was not possible to conduct individual and independent bilateral dialogues with all Jєωιѕн groupings and organisations which had declared their readiness to dialogue. To resolve this problem the Jєωιѕн organisations took up the suggestion of the Catholic Church to establish a single organisation for this dialogue. The International Jєωιѕн Committee on Interreligious Consultations (IJCIC) is the official Jєωιѕн representative to the Holy See’s Commission for Religious Relations with the Jєωs.

    10. The IJCIC began its work in 1970, and a year later the first joint conference was organized in Paris. The conferences which have been conducted regularly since are the responsibility of the entity known as the International Catholic-Jєωιѕн Liaison Committee (ILC), and they shape the collaboration between the IJCIC and the Holy See’s Commission. In February 2011, once more in Paris, the ILC was able to look back with gratitude on 40 years of institutional dialogue. Much has developed over the past 40 years; the former confrontation has turned into successful cooperation, the previous potential for conflict has become positive conflict management, and the past co–existence marked by tension has been replaced by resilient and fruitful mutuality. The bonds of friendship forged in the meantime have proved to be stable, so that it has become possible to address even controversial subjects together without the danger of permanent damage being done to the dialogue. This was all the more necessary because over the past decades the dialogue had not always been free of tensions. In general, however, one can observe with appreciation that in Jєωιѕн-Catholic dialogue since the new millennium above all, intensive efforts have been made to deal openly and positively with any arising differences of opinion and conflicts, in such a way that mutual relations have become stronger.

    11. Beside the dialogue with the IJCIC we should also mention the institutional conversation with the Chief Rabbinate of Israel, which is clearly to be seen as a fruit of the encounter of Saint Pope John Paul II with both Chief Rabbis in Jerusalem during his visit to Israel in March 2000. The first meeting was organised in June 2002 in Jerusalem, and since then such meetings have been conducted annually, taking place in Rome and Jerusalem alternately. The two delegations are relatively small so that a very personal and intensive discussion on various subjects is possible, such as on the sanctity of life, the status of the family, the significance of the Sacred Scriptures for life in society, religious freedom, the ethical foundations of human behaviour, the ecological challenge, the relationship of secular and religious authority and the essential qualities of religious leadership in secular society. The fact that the Catholic representatives taking part in the meetings are bishops and priests and the Jєωιѕн representatives almost exclusively rabbis permits individual topics to be examined from a religious perspective as well. The dialogue with the Chief Rabbinate of Israel has to that extent enabled more open relations between Orthodox Judaism and the Catholic Church at a global level. After each meeting a joint declaration is published which in each instance has testified to the richness of the common spiritual heritage of Judaism and Christianity and to what valuable treasures are still to be unearthed. In reviewing over more than ten years of dialogue we can gratefully affirm that a strong friendship has resulted which represents a firm foundation for the future.

    12. The efforts of the Holy See’s Commission for Religious Relations with the Jєωs cannot of course be restricted to these two institutional dialogues. The Commission aims in fact at being open to all streams within Judaism and at maintaining contact with all Jєωιѕн groupings and organisations that wish to establish links with the Holy See. The Jєωιѕн side shows a particular interest in audiences with the Pope, which are in every instance prepared by the Commission. Besides direct contacts with Judaism the Holy See’s Commission also strives to provide opportunities within the Catholic Church for dialogue with Judaism and to work together with individual Bishops’ Conferences to support them locally in promoting Jєωιѕн-Catholic dialogue. The introduction of the ‘Day of Judaism’ in some European countries is a good example of this.

    13. Over the past decades both the ‘dialogue ad extra’ and the ‘dialogue ad intra’ have led with increasing clarity to the awareness that Christians and Jєωs are irrevocably inter-dependent, and that the dialogue between the two is not a matter of choice but of duty as far as theology is concerned. Jєωs and Christians can enrich one another in mutual friendship. Without her Jєωιѕн roots the Church would be in danger of losing its soteriological anchoring in salvation history and would slide into an ultimately unhistorical Gnosis. Pope Francis states that “while it is true that certain Christian beliefs are unacceptable to Judaism, and that the Church cannot refrain from proclaiming Jesus as Lord and Messiah, there exists as well a rich complementarity which allows us to read the texts of the Hebrew Scriptures together and to help one another to mine the riches of God’s word. We can also share many ethical convictions and a common concern for justice and the development of peoples” [Preaching to convert? This is no where mentioned as an endeavor of the Church in regard to the Jєωs.] (“Evangelii gaudium”, 249).

    2. The special theological status of Jєωιѕн-Catholic dialogue

    14. The dialogue with Judaism is for Christians something quite special, since Christianity possesses Jєωιѕн roots which determine relations between the two in a unique way (cf. “Evangelii gaudium”, 247). In spite of the historical breach and the painful conflicts arising from it, the Church remains conscious of its enduring continuity with Israel. Judaism is not to be considered simply as another religion; the Jєωs are instead our “elder brothers” (Saint Pope John Paul II), our “fathers in faith” (Benedict XVI). Jesus was a Jєω, was at home in the Jєωιѕн tradition of his time, and was decisively shaped by this religious milieu [What does it mean to say Jesus "was decisively shopped by this religious milieu? A deeply Modernist reading of the Scriptures, no?](cf. “Ecclesia in Medio Oriente”, 20). His first disciples gathered around him had the same heritage and were defined by the same Jєωιѕн tradition in their everyday life. In his unique relationship with his heavenly Father, Jesus was intent above all on proclaiming the coming of the Kingdom of God. [What orthodox believer would ever speak of Christ's "unique relationship with his Heavenly Father?]“The time is fulfilled and the kingdom of God is at hand, repent and believe in the gospel” (Mk 1:15). Within Judaism there were many very different kinds of ideas regarding how the kingdom of God would be realised, and yet Jesus’ central message on the Kingdom of God is in accordance with some Jєωιѕн thinking of his day. One cannot understand Jesus’ teaching or that of his disciples without situating it within the Jєωιѕн horizon in the context of the living tradition of Israel; one would understand his teachings even less so if they were seen in opposition to this tradition. [Pure Modernism. Why are we surprised.... why am I surprised still that everything out of the Vatican is saturated with Modernist, subjectivist departures from the faith?]In Jesus not a few Jєωs of his time saw the coming of a ‘new Moses’, the promised Christ (Messiah). But his coming nevertheless provoked a drama with consequences still felt today. Fully and completely human, a Jєω of his time, descendant of Abraham, son of David, shaped by the whole tradition of Israel, heir of the prophets, Jesus stands in continuity with his people and its history. On the other hand he is, in the light of the Christian faith, himself God – the Son – and he transcends time, history, and every earthly reality. The community of those who believe in him confesses his divinity (cf. Phil 2:6-11).  [Same old Modernist division of Our Lord Jesus Christ into two "Christs," one the "empirical" Christ that was a man living in his own historical context and then the "Christ" that "in the light of the Christian faith" for "those who believe in him confesses his divinity"] In this sense he is perceived to be in discontinuity with the history that prepared his coming. From the perspective of the Christian faith, he fulfils the mission and expectation of Israel in a perfect way. At the same time, however, he overcomes and transcends them in an eschatological manner. Herein consists the fundamental difference between Judaism and Christianity, that is, how the figure of Jesus is to be evaluated. Jєωs are able to see Jesus as belonging to their people, a Jєωιѕн teacher who felt himself called in a particular way to preach the Kingdom of God. That this Kingdom of God has come with himself as God’s representative is beyond the horizon of Jєωιѕн expectation. The conflict between Jesus and the Jєωιѕн authorities of his time is ultimately not a matter of an individual transgression of the law, but of Jesus’ claim to be acting with divine authority. The figure of Jesus thus is and remains for Jєωs the ‘stumbling block’, the central and neuralgic point in Jєωιѕн-Catholic dialogue. From a theological perspective, Christians need to refer to the Judaism of Jesus’ time and to a degree also the Judaism that developed from it over the ages for their own self-understanding. Given Jesus’ Jєωιѕн origins, coming to terms with Judaism in one way or another is indispensable for Christians. Yet, the history of the relationship between Judaism and Christianity has also been mutually influenced over time.

    15. Dialogue between Jєωs and Christians then can only be termed ‘interreligious dialogue’ by analogy, that is, dialogue between two intrinsically separate and different religions. It is not the case that two fundamentally diverse religions confront one another after having developed independently of one another or without mutual influence. The soil that nurtured both Jєωs and Christians is the Judaism of Jesus’ time, which not only brought forth Christianity but also, after the destruction of the temple in the year 70, post-biblical rabbinical Judaism which then had to do without the sacrificial cult and, in its further development, had to depend exclusively on prayer and the interpretation of both written and oral divine revelation. Thus Jєωs and Christians have the same mother and can be seen, as it were, as two siblings who – as is the normal course of events for siblings – have developed in different directions. [In other words, one does not replace the other as God's Chosen People.]The Scriptures of ancient Israel constitute an integral part of the Scriptures of both Judaism and Christianity, understood by both as the word of God, revelation, and salvation history. The first Christians were Jєωs; as a matter of course they gathered as part of the community in the ѕуηαgσgυє, they observed the dietary laws, the Sabbath and the requirement of circuмcision, while at the same time confessing Jesus as the Christ, the Messiah sent by God for the salvation of Israel and the entire human race. With Paul the ‘Jєωιѕн Jesus movement’ definitively opens up other horizons and transcends its purely Jєωιѕн origins. Gradually his concept [Notice the epistemological and psychological words used to describe St. Paul's teaching of the doctrine of Divine Revelation] came to prevail, that is, that a non-Jєω did not have to become first a Jєω in order to confess Christ. In the early years of the Church, therefore, there were the so-called Jєωιѕн Christians and the Gentile Christians, the ecclesia ex circuмcisione and the ecclesia ex gentibus, one Church originating from Judaism, the other from the Gentiles, who however together constituted the one and only Church of Jesus Christ.

    16. The separation of the Church from the ѕуηαgσgυє does not take place abruptly however and, according to some recent insights, may not have been complete until well into the third or fourth centuries. This means that many Jєωιѕн Christians of the first period did not perceive any contradiction between living in accordance with some aspects of the Jєωιѕн tradition and yet confessing Jesus as the Christ. Only when the number of Gentile Christians represented the majority, and within the Jєωιѕн community the polemics regarding the figure of Jesus took on sharper contours, did a definitive separation appear to be no longer avoidable. Over time the siblings Christianity and Judaism increasingly grew apart, becoming hostile and even defaming one another. For Christians, Jєωs were often represented as damned by God and blind since they were unable to recognise in Jesus the Messiah and bearer of salvation. For Jєωs, Christians were often seen as heretics who no longer followed the path originally laid down by God but who went their own way. It is not without reason that in the Acts of the Apostles Christianity is called ‘the way’ (cf. Acts 9:2; 19:9,23; 24:14,22) in contrast to the Jєωιѕн Halacha which determined the interpretation of the law for practical conduct. Over time Judaism and Christianity became increasingly alienated from one another, even becoming involved in ruthless conflicts and accusing one another of abandoning the path prescribed by God. [No! Who would think!?]

    17. On the part of many of the Church Fathers the so-called replacement theory or supersessionism steadily gained favour until in the Middle Ages it represented the standard theological foundation of the relationship with Judaism: the promises and commitments of God would no longer apply to Israel because it had not recognised Jesus as the Messiah and the Son of God, but had been transferred to the Church of Jesus Christ which was now the true ‘new Israel’, the new chosen people of God. Arising from the same soil, Judaism and Christianity in the centuries after their separation became involved in a theological antagonism which was only to be defused at the Second Vatican Council. [This is much like Josef Ratzinger's claims in Introduction to Christianity that the doctrine of the Mass as sacrifice to appease the anger of God the Father and the very notion of Transubstantiation was merely a medieval theory of St. Anselm and not the perennially professed doctrine of the Catholic Church. Here we have the apostate statement that the idea that the Catholic Church is the "new Israel" and, therefore, the Chosen People of God is merely a theory of Medieval and pre-Medieval period and not the constant teaching of the Catholic Church from St. Peter and Paul down to the present time, expressed in the Church's infallible teaching and in her traditional liturgy. Wait! Maybe that is why the traditional liturgy had to be trashed and replaced!] With its Declaration “Nostra aetate” (No.4) the Church unequivocally professes, within a new theological framework, the Jєωιѕн roots of Christianity. While affirming salvation through an explicit or even implicit faith in Christ, the Church does not question the continued love of God for the chosen people of Israel. A replacement or supersession theology which sets against one another two separate entities, a Church of the Gentiles and the rejected ѕуηαgσgυє whose place it takes, is deprived of its foundations. From an originally close relationship between Judaism and Christianity a long-term state of tension had developed, which has been gradually transformed after the Second Vatican Council into a constructive dialogue relationship. [So those who have held, to this time, that there is no substantial difference between the pre-Vatican II Catholic Church and the post-Vatican II NewChurch are SIMPLY WRONG. BIG TIME.]

    18. There have often been attempts to identify this replacement theory [It is strange how the entire real history of the Catholic Church is reduced to a "replacement theory."] in the Epistle to the Hebrews. This Epistle, however, is not directed to the Jєωs but rather to the Christians of Jєωιѕн background who have become weary and uncertain. Its purpose is to strengthen their faith and to encourage them to persevere, by pointing to Christ Jesus as the true and ultimate high priest, the mediator of the new covenant. This context is necessary to understand the Epistle’s contrast between the first purely earthly covenant and a second better (cf. Heb 8:7) and new covenant (cf. 9:15, 12:24). The first covenant is defined as outdated, in decline and doomed to obsolescence (cf. 8:13), while the second covenant is defined as everlasting (cf. 13:20). To establish the foundations of this contrast the Epistle refers to the promise of a new covenant in the Book of the Prophet Jeremiah 31:31-34 (cf. Heb 8:8-12). This demonstrates that the Epistle to the Hebrews has no intention of proving the promises of the Old Covenant to be false, but on the contrary treats them as valid. The reference to the Old Testament promises is intended to help Christians to be sure of their salvation in Christ. At issue in the Epistle to the Hebrews is not the contrast of the Old and New Covenants as we understand them today, nor a contrast between the church and Judaism. Rather, the contrast is between the eternal heavenly priesthood of Christ and the transitory earthly priesthood. The fundamental issue in the Epistle to the Hebrews in the new situation is a Christological interpretation of the New Covenant. For exactly this reason, “Nostra aetate” (No.4) did not refer to the Epistle to the Hebrews, but rather to Saint Paul’s reflections in his letter to the Romans 9–11.

    19. For an outside observer, the Conciliar Declaration “Nostra aetate” could give the impression that the text deals with the relations of the Catholic Church with all world religions in a relationship based on parity, but the history of its development and the text itself point in a different direction. [Here is the bone to the Neo-Cons] Originally Saint Pope John XXIII proposed that the Council should promulgate a Tractatus de Iudaeis, but in the end the decision was made to give consideration to all world religions in “Nostra aetate”. However, the fourth article of this Conciliar Declaration, which deals with a new theological relationship with Judaism, represents almost the heart of the docuмent, in which a place is also made for the Catholic Church’s relationship with other religions. The relationship with Judaism can in that sense be seen as the catalyst for the determination of the relationship with the other world religions. [So Ecuмenism was PRIMARILY meant to change the Catholic Church's teaching on and dealings with the Jєωs and, only secondarily, expanded to include "other world religions." Interesting. Some of you readers may be calling me "Captain Obvious" at this point. Reasoning and understanding is a process, though!]

    20. Nevertheless, from the theological perspective the dialogue with Judaism has a completely different character and is on a different level in comparison with the other world religions. The faith of the Jєωs testified to in the Bible, found in the Old Testament, is not for Christians another religion but the foundation of their own faith [So Vatican II officially states that Jєωs and Catholics now have the same religion. Quite an achievement for the "innovators"], although clearly the figure of Jesus is the sole key for the Christian interpretation of the Scriptures of the Old Testament. The cornerstone of the Christian faith is Jesus (cf. Acts 4:11; 1 Pt 2:4–8). However, the dialogue with Judaism occupies a unique position for Christians; Christianity is by its roots connected with Judaism as with no other religion. Therefore the Jєωιѕн-Christian dialogue can only with reservations be termed ‘interreligious dialogue’ in the true sense of the expression; one could however speak of a kind of ‘intra-religious’ or ‘intra–familial’ dialogue sui generis. In his address in the Roman ѕуηαgσgυє on 13 April 1986 Saint Pope John Paul II expressed this situation in these words: “The Jєωιѕн religion is not ‘extrinsic’ to us but in a certain way is ‘intrinsic’ to our own religion. With Judaism therefore we have a relationship which we do not have with any other religion. You are our dearly beloved brothers and, in a certain way, it could be said that you are our elder brothers.”

    3. Revelation in history as ‘Word of God’ in Judaism and Christianity

    21. We find in the Old Testament God’s plan of salvation presented for his people (cf. “Dei verbum”, 14). This plan of salvation is expressed in an enlightening way at the beginning of biblical history in the call to Abraham (Gen 12ff). In order to reveal himself and speak to humankind, redeeming it from sin and gathering it together as one people, God began by choosing the people of Israel through Abraham and setting them apart. To them God revealed himself gradually through his emissaries, his prophets, as the true God, the only God, the living God, the redeeming God. This divine election was constitutive of the people of Israel. Only after the first great intervention of the redeeming God, the liberation from slavery in Egypt (cf. Ex 13:17ff) and the establishment of the covenant at Sinai (Ex 19ff), did the twelve tribes truly become a nation and become conscious of being the people of God, the bearers of his message and his promises, witnesses of his merciful favour in the midst of the nations and also for the nations (cf. Is 26:1-9; 54; 60; 62). In order to instruct his people on how to fulfil their mission and how to pass on the revelation entrusted to them, God gave Israel the law which defines how they are to live (cf. Ex 20; Deut 5), and which distinguishes them from other peoples.

    22. Like the Church itself even in our own day, Israel bears the treasure of its election in fragile vessels. The relationship of Israel with its Lord is the story of its faithfulness and its unfaithfulness. In order to fulfil his work of salvation despite the smallness and weakness of the instruments he chose, God manifested his mercy and the graciousness of his gifts, as well as his faithfulness to his promises which no human infidelity can nullify [In other words, any rejection of the Son of God does not affect the Jєωs status as the Chosen People of God --- for them, Jesus Christ is not the sine qua non like he is for the rest of us.....I guess?](cf. Rom 3:3; 2 Tim 2:13). At every step of his people along the way God set apart at least a ‘small number’ (cf. Deut 4:27), a ‘remnant’ (cf. Is 1:9; Zeph 3:12; cf. also Is 6:13; 17:5-6), a handful of the faithful who ‘have not bowed the knee to Baal’ (cf. 1 Kings 19:18). Through this remnant, God realized his plan of salvation. Constantly the object of his election and love remained the chosen people as through them – as the ultimate goal – the whole of humanity is gathered together and led to him.

    23. The Church is called the new people of God (cf. "Nostra aetate", No.4) but not in the sense that the people of God of Israel has ceased to exist. The Church “was prepared in a remarkable way throughout the history of the people of Israel and by means of the Old Covenant” (“Lumen gentium”, 2). The Church does not replace the people of God of Israel, since as the community founded on Christ it represents in him the fulfilment of the promises made to Israel. This does not mean that Israel, not having achieved such a fulfilment, can no longer be considered to be the people of God. “Although the Church is the new people of God, the Jєωs should not be presented as rejected or accursed by God, as if this followed from the Holy Scriptures” (“Nostra aetate”, No.4).

    24. God revealed himself in his Word, so that it may be understood by humanity in actual historical situations. This Word invites all people to respond. If their responses are in accord with the Word of God they stand in right relationship with him. For Jєωs this Word can be learned through the Torah and the traditions based on it. The Torah is the instruction for a successful life in right relationship with God. Whoever observes the Torah has life in its fullness (cf. Pirqe Avot II, 7). By observing the Torah the Jєω receives a share in communion with God. In this regard, Pope Francis has stated: “The Christian confessions find their unity in Christ; Judaism finds its unity in the Torah. Christians believe that Jesus Christ is the Word of God made flesh in the world; for Jєωs the Word of God is present above all in the Torah. Both faith traditions find their foundation in the One God, the God of the Covenant, who reveals himself through his Word. In seeking a right attitude towards God, Christians turn to Christ as the fount of new life, and Jєωs to the teaching of the Torah.” (Address to members of the International Council of Christians and Jєωs, 30 June 2015). [So while we worry about whether such and such as statement is an example of "material," "formal," "notorious," "factual," heresy ---- there is outright apostasy --- stepping away from the very fundamentals of faith --- being embraced by the institutional organization of the Catholic Church. But, of course, this has nothing at all to do with sex, so, who cares. Speak about "the non-Christians having a right to contraception" and watch the explosion! From the above statement of this docuмent and from Francis himself, clearly one does not need to be baptized in Christ to be saved and participate in the "Word".]

    25. Judaism and the Christian faith as seen in the New Testament are two ways by which God’s people can make the Sacred Scriptures of Israel their own. The Scriptures which Christians call the Old Testament is open therefore to both ways. A response to God’s word of salvation that accords with one or the other tradition can thus open up access to God, even if it is left up to his counsel of salvation to determine in what way he may intend to save mankind in each instance. That his will for salvation is universally directed is testified by the Scriptures (cf. eg. Gen 12:1-3; Is 2:2-5; 1 Tim 2:4). Therefore there are not two paths to salvation according to the expression “Jєωs hold to the Torah, Christians hold to Christ”. Christian faith proclaims that Christ’s work of salvation is universal and involves all mankind. God’s word is one single and undivided reality which takes concrete form in each respective historical context.
    26. In this sense, Christians affirm that Jesus Christ can be considered as ‘the living Torah of God’. Torah and Christ are the Word of God [To make this comparison in this way is just blasphemy], his revelation for us human beings as testimony of his boundless love. For Christians, the pre-existence of Christ as the Word and Son of the Father is a fundamental doctrine, and according to rabbinical tradition the Torah and the name of the Messiah exist already before creation (cf. Genesis Rabbah 1,1). Further, according to Jєωιѕн understanding God himself interprets the Torah in the Eschaton, while in Christian understanding everything is recapitulated in Christ in the end (cf. Eph 1:10; Col 1:20). In the gospel of Matthew Christ is seen as it were as the ‘new Moses’. Matthew 5:17–19 presents Jesus as the authoritative and authentic interpreter of the Torah (cf. Lk 24:27, 45–47). In the rabbinical literature, however, we find the identification of the Torah with Moses. Against this background, Christ as the ‘new Moses’ can be connected with the Torah. Torah and Christ are the locus of the presence of God in the world as this presence is experienced in the respective worship communities. The Hebrew dabar means word and event at the same time – and thus one may reach the conclusion that the word of the Torah may be open for the Christ event.

    4. The relationship between the Old and New Testament and the Old and New Covenant

    27. The covenant that God has offered Israel is irrevocable. “God is not man, that he should lie” (Num 23:19; cf. 2 Tim 2:13). The permanent elective fidelity of God expressed in earlier covenants is never repudiated (cf. Rom 9:4; 11:1–2). The New Covenant does not revoke the earlier covenants, but it brings them to fulfilment. Through the Christ event Christians have understood that all that had gone before was to be interpreted anew. For Christians the New Covenant has acquired a quality of its own, even though the orientation for both consists in a unique relationship with God (cf. for example, the covenant formula in Lev 26:12, “I will be your God and you will be my people”). For Christians, the New Covenant in Christ is the culminating point of the promises of salvation of the Old Covenant, and is to that extent never independent of it. The New Covenant is grounded in and based on the Old, because it is ultimately the God of Israel who concludes the Old Covenant with his people Israel and enables the New Covenant in Jesus Christ. Jesus lives during the period of the Old Covenant, but in his work of salvation in the New Covenant confirms and perfects the dimensions of the Old. The term covenant, therefore, means a relationship with God that takes effect in different ways for Jєωs and Christians. The New Covenant can never replace the Old but presupposes it and gives it a new dimension of meaning, by reinforcing the personal nature of God as revealed in the Old Covenant and establishing it as openness for all who respond faithfully from all the nations (cf. Zech 8:20-23; Psalm 87).

    28. Unity and difference between Judaism and Christianity come to the fore in the first instance with the testimonies of divine revelation. With the existence of the Old Testament as an integral part of the one Christian Bible, there is a deeply rooted sense of intrinsic kinship between Judaism and Christianity. The roots of Christianity lie in the Old Testament, and Christianity constantly draws nourishment from these roots. However, Christianity is grounded in the person of Jesus of Nazareth, who is recognised as the Messiah promised to the Jєωιѕн people, and as the only begotten Son of God who has communicated himself through the Holy Spirit following his death on the cross and his resurrection. With the existence of the New Testament, the question naturally arose quite soon of how the two testaments are related to one another, whether for example the New Testament writings have not superseded the older writings and nullified them. This position was represented by Marcion, who in the second century held that the New Testament had made the Old Testament book of promises obsolete, destined to fade away in the glow of the new, just as one no longer needs the light of the moon as soon as the sun has risen. This stark antithesis between the Hebrew and the Christian Bible never became an official doctrine of the Christian Church. By excluding Marcion from the Christian community in 144, the Church rejected his concept of a purely “Christian” Bible purged of all Old Testament elements, bore witness to its faith in the one and only God who is the author of both testaments, and thus held fast to the unity of both testaments, the “concordia testamentorum”.

    29. This is of course only one side of the relationship between the two testaments. The common patrimony of the Old Testament not only formed the fundamental basis of a spiritual kinship between Jєωs and Christians but also brought with it a basic tension in the relationship of the two faith communities. This is demonstrated by the fact that Christians read the Old Testament in the light of the New, in the conviction expressed by Augustine in the indelible formula: “In the Old Testament the New is concealed and in the New the Old is revealed” (Quaestiones in Heptateuchum 2, 73). Pope Gregory the Great also spoke in the same sense when he defined the Old Testament as “the prophecy of the New” and the latter as the “best exposition of the Old” (Homiliae in Ezechielem I, VI, 15; cf. “Dei verbum”, 16).

     30. This Christological exegesis can easily give rise to the impression that Christians consider the New Testament not only as the fulfilment of the Old but at the same time as a replacement for it. That this impression cannot be correct is evident already from the fact that Judaism too found itself compelled to adopt a new reading of Scripture after the catastrophe of the destruction of the Second Temple in the year 70. Since the Sadducees who were bound to the temple did not survive this catastrophe, the rabbis, following in the footsteps of the Pharisees, who had already developed their particular mode of reading and interpreting Scripture, now did so without the temple as the centre of Jєωιѕн religious devotion.

    31. As a consequence there were two responses to this situation, or more precisely, two new ways of reading Scripture, namely the Christological exegesis of the Christians and the rabbinical exegesis of that form of Judaism that developed historically. Since each mode involved a new interpretation of Scripture, the crucial new question must be precisely how these two modes are related to each other. But since the Christian Church and post-biblical rabbinical Judaism developed in parallel, but also in opposition and mutual ignorance, this question cannot be answered from the New Testament alone. After centuries of opposing positions it has been the duty of Jєωιѕн-Catholic dialogue to bring these two new ways of reading the Biblical writings into dialogue with one another in order to perceive the “rich complementarity” where it exists and “to help one another to mine the riches of God’s word” (“Evangelii gaudium”, 249). The docuмent of the Pontifical Biblical Commission “The Jєωιѕн People and Their Sacred Scriptures in the Christian Bible” in 2001 therefore stated that Christians can and must admit “that the Jєωιѕн reading of the Bible is a possible one, in continuity with the Jєωιѕн Scriptures from the Second Temple period, a reading analogous to the Christian reading which developed in parallel fashion”. It then draws the conclusion: “Both readings are bound up with the vision of their respective faiths, of which the readings are the result and expression. Consequently, both are irreducible” (No.22).

    32. Since each of the two readings serves the purpose of rightly understanding God’s will and word, it becomes evident how important is the awareness that the Christian faith is rooted in the faith of Abraham. That raises the further question of how the Old and the New Covenant stand in relation to one another. For the Christian faith it is axiomatic that there can only be one single covenant history of God with humanity. The covenant with Abraham, with circuмcision as its sign (cf. Gen 17), and the covenant with Moses restricted to Israel regarding obedience to the law (cf. Ex 19:5; 24:7-8) and in particular the observance of the Sabbath (cf. Ex 31:16-17) had been extended in the covenant with Noah, with the rainbow as its sign (cf. “Verbum Domini”, 117), to the whole of creation (cf. Gen 9:9 ff). Through the prophets God in turn promises a new and eternal covenant (cf. Is 55:3; 61:8; Jer 31:31-34; Ez 36:22-28). Each of these covenants incorporates the previous covenant and interprets it in a new way. That is also true for the New Covenant which for Christians is the final eternal covenant and therefore the definitive interpretation of what was promised by the prophets of the Old Covenant, or as Paul expresses it, the “Yes” and “Amen” to “all that God has promised” (2 Cor 1:20). The Church as the renewed people of God has been elected by God without conditions. The Church is the definitive and unsurpassable locus of the salvific action of God. This however does not mean that Israel as the people of God has been repudiated or has lost its mission (cf. “Nostra aetate”, No.4). The New Covenant for Christians is therefore neither the annulment nor the replacement, but the fulfilment of the promises of the Old Covenant.

    33. For Jєωιѕн-Christian dialogue in the first instance God’s covenant with Abraham proves to be constitutive, as he is not only the father of Israel but also the father of the faith of Christians. In this covenant community it should be evident for Christians that the covenant that God concluded with Israel has never been revoked but remains valid on the basis of God’s unfailing faithfulness to his people, and consequently the New Covenant which Christians believe in can only be understood as the affirmation and fulfilment of the Old. Christians are therefore also convinced that through the New Covenant the Abrahamic covenant has obtained that universality for all peoples which was originally intended in the call of Abram (cf. Gen 12:1-3). This recourse to the Abrahamic covenant is so essentially constitutive of the Christian faith that the Church without Israel would be in danger of losing its locus in the history of salvation. By the same token, Jєωs could with regard to the Abrahamic covenant arrive at the insight that Israel without the Church would be in danger of remaining too particularist and of failing to grasp the universality of its experience of God. In this fundamental sense Israel and the Church remain bound to each other according to the covenant and are interdependent.

    34. That there can only be one history of God’s covenant with mankind, and that consequently Israel is God’s chosen and beloved people of the covenant which has never been repealed or revoked (cf. Rom 9:4; 11:29), is the conviction behind the Apostle Paul’s passionate struggle with the dual fact that while the Old Covenant from God continues to be in force, Israel has not adopted the New Covenant. In order to do justice to both facts Paul coined the expressive image of the root of Israel into which the wild branches of the Gentiles have been grafted (cf. Rom 11:16-21). One could say that Jesus Christ bears in himself the living root of the “green olive tree”, and yet in a deeper meaning that the whole promise has its root in him (cf. Jn 8:58). This image represents for Paul the decisive key to thinking of the relationship between Israel and the Church in the light of faith. With this image Paul gives expression to the duality of the unity and divergence of Israel and the Church. On the one hand the image is to be taken seriously in the sense that the grafted wild branches have not their origin as branches in the plant onto which they are grafted and their new situation represents a new reality and a new dimension of God’s work of salvation, so that the Christian Church cannot merely be understood as a branch or a fruit of Israel (cf. Mt 8:10-13). On the other hand, the image is also to be taken seriously in the sense that the Church draws nourishment and strength from the root of Israel, and that the grafted branches would wither or even die if they were cut off from the root of Israel (cf. “Ecclesia in Medio Oriente”, 21).

    5. The universality of salvation in Jesus Christ and God’s unrevoked covenant with Israel

    35. [And now a little bone to the Neo-cons] Since God has never revoked his covenant with his people Israel, there cannot be different paths or approaches to God’s salvation. The theory that there may be two different paths to salvation, the Jєωιѕн path without Christ and the path with the Christ, whom Christians believe is Jesus of Nazareth, would in fact endanger the foundations of Christian faith. Confessing the universal and therefore also exclusive mediation of salvation through Jesus Christ belongs to the core of Christian faith. So too does the confession of the one God, the God of Israel, who through his revelation in Jesus Christ has become totally manifest as the God of all peoples, insofar as in him the promise has been fulfilled that all peoples will pray to the God of Israel as the one God (cf. Is 56:1-8). The docuмent “Notes on the correct way to present the Jєωs and Judaism in preaching and catechesis in the Roman Catholic Church” published by the Holy See’s Commission for Religious Relations with the Jєωs in 1985 therefore maintained that the Church and Judaism cannot be represented as “two parallel ways to salvation”, but that the Church must “witness to Christ as the Redeemer for all” (No.I, 7). The Christian faith confesses that God wants to lead all people to salvation, that Jesus Christ is the universal mediator of salvation, and that there is no “other name under heaven given to the human race by which we are to be saved” (Acts 4:12).

    36. [And now, back to the Apostasy. The Vatican is saying that you do not need to believe in Jesus Christ in order to be saved.] 


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  • http://radtradthomist.chojnowski.me/2018/02/vatican-docuмent-affirms-that-not-only.html

    Vatican Docuмent Affirms that not only do the Jєωs share our Religion, but the Torah is the Word of God just as Jesus Christ is the Word of God. Was this the final docuмentation of the Apostasy set up in 1958 to play itself out now? If so, why be so mad at Francis?
    The docuмent is correct, the Jєωs share the Vatican II religion. The Vatican II religion is just not my religion or the Catholic religion, it is a counterfeit church.
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

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    Caught in the blazing light of Holy Scripture, the Jєωs thus disclose their true colors. They are, in our day, as remote in faith and tradition from believing Jєωs of the Old Testament as they are from believing Catholics. A gaping abyss divides them from Abraham and Moses, as surely as from St. Augustine and St. Francis Xavier. That abyss is the unrepented rejection and crucifixion of the Messias. As Saint John Chrysostom says in one of his Sermons Against the Jєωs, “It is not insignificant controversies that separate us, but the death of Christ.”

    And because we are separated by this shattering event, we are totally separated. The Jєωs are strangers not only to our beliefs, but to our whole way of life. The fiction that our culture is a “Judaeo-Christian” one, and that the Jєωs are anxious to preserve it, has lured us to the verge of cultural collapse. The standards of justice, order, and morality that have made our civilization are rooted in Christian teaching; the Jєωs neither share those standards nor befriend them. “Is Western Civilization … worth saving?” asked Rabbi Stephen Wise, in the New York Times of December 7, 1930. “Or is it not the function of the Jєω to bring about the supercession of that decrepit, degenerate, and inevitably perishing civilization, so-called?”

    A stern realization of this Jєωιѕн hostility to Christendom has been the main motive behind the “anti-Jєωιѕн policies” of the Catholic Church. Since the Jєωs are so hopelessly estranged from the ways and purposes of Christian society, the Church has advocated complete segregation of the Jєωs from that society. Thus, in Catholic times, Jєωs were isolated in ghettos and relieved of all obligations of citizenship. They were forbidden to vote, to hold public office, to serve in the army; they could not teach in the universities, nor publish their тαℓмυd, nor otherwise disseminate their infidel ideas. And when they went outside their ghettos, they were required to wear some distinctive badge, that Christians might know of their presence, and so be on guard.

    ~ Fr. Feeney, The Point, October 1958
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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  • The docuмent is correct, the Jєωs share the Vatican II religion. The Vatican II religion is just not my religion or the Catholic religion, it is a counterfeit church.

    Yet, another staggering evidence that the Jєωs currently occupying the Vatican, do not represent in any way the Roman Catholic Church.  
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    [Father Feeney]

    And yet how many Traditional Catholics demonize Father Feeney as being a greater enemy of the Church than Bergoglio.  He was one of the only ones who saw it coming BEFORE it happened.  Others, like even +Lefebvre, recognized it slowly after the fact.  Father Feeney saw it being prepared ... and called it out.


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  • The docuмent is correct, the Jєωs share the Vatican II religion. The Vatican II religion is just not my religion or the Catholic religion, it is a counterfeit church.
    guess we will all have to go it alone
    but I think of that (vis a vis Israel) saying: "The enemy of friend (defined as someone who has not hurt me...) is my enemy. Israel has not hurt me. Terrorism hurts everyone 

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  • And yet how many Traditional Catholics demonize Father Feeney as being a greater enemy of the Church than Bergoglio.  He was one of the only ones who saw it coming BEFORE it happened.  Others, like even +Lefebvre, recognized it slowly after the fact.  Father Feeney saw it being prepared ... and called it out.

    And frankly, I think that was the actual reason of his censure; not so much his theological views on the Baptism of Desire per se; but his outspoken "anti-Semitism" in a time where the Jєωιѕн emancipation was taking over the world, aimed of course, by influential Judaizers within the Church, such as Cardinal Cushing.
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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  • And frankly, I think that was the actual reason of his censure; not so much his theological views on the Baptism of Desire per se; but his outspoken "anti-Semitism" in a time where the Jєωιѕн emancipation was taking over the world, aimed of course, by influential Judaizers within the Church, such as Cardinal Cushing.

    Indeed, even his preaching about EENS (more than BoD initially) was construed as anti-Semtic because of the heavy Jєωιѕн presence at Harvard.  He was converting a significant number of Jєωs and that provoked their wrath.  Cushing was known to be very friendly with the Jєωs, with his sister having married a Jєω.

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    ... the Church has never abandoned her absolute principle that it is possible for an individual Jєω to scrap his hateful heritage, sincerely break with the ѕуηαgσgυє, and cleanse his cursed blood with the Precious Blood of Jesus.

    ... we spoke about the plague of Marrano (secret-Jєω) Catholics in Spain, and the extreme means (the Inquisition) which was necessary to keep their influence from spreading.

    Those two powers, the chief two in the world today, are Communism and Zionism. That both movements are avowedly anti-Christian, and that both are in origin and direction Jєωιѕн, is a matter of record.

    As surely and securely as the Jєωs have been behind Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, or Secularism, or Communism, they are behind the "anti-hate" drive. The Jєωs are advocating tolerance only for its destructive value — destructive, that is, of the Catholic Church. On their part, they still keep alive their racial rancors and antipathies."

    [Articles written by Father Feeney in 1957 alone]

    January: "Jєωιѕн Invasion of Our Country—Our Culture Under Siege"
    April: "The Fight for the Holy City—Efforts of the Jєωs to Control Jerusalem"
    June: "The Rejected People of Holy Scripture: Why the Jєωs Fear the Bible"
    July: "The Judaising of Christians by Jєωs—Tactics of the Church's Leading Enemies"
    August: "A Sure Defence Against the Jєωs—What Our Catholic Bishops Can Do for Us"
    September: "An Unholy People in the Holy Land—The Actions of the Jєωs"
    October: "The Jєωιѕн Lie About Brotherhood—the Catholic Answer—Israeli Brotherhood"
    November: "Six Pointers on the Jєωs"


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  • The first five books of the Bible are a part of Holy Scripture. 

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  • The first five books of the Bible are a part of Holy Scripture.

    If anything, it is central theme of Holy Scripture to explain how ungrateful a people Jєωs proved to be in their original privileged position as the elect of God. Throughout the Bible, all we find is numerous accounts of how contemptuous Jєωs were toward the prophets God sent them in the Old Testament; and then, obstinately murderous towards Our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God. And God was very patient towards them... for many centuries! until, finally, when they actually crucified His Divine Son, God turned His blessing to a curse.

    The seventeen prophetic books of the Old Testament had repeatedly foretold that God would do this. The entire New Testament confirms it as done.
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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  • If anything, it is central theme of Holy Scripture to explain how ungrateful a people Jєωs proved to be in their original privileged position as the elect of God. Throughout the Bible, all we find is numerous accounts of how contemptuous Jєωs were toward the prophets God sent them in the Old Testament; and then, obstinately murderous towards Our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God. And God was very patient towards them... for many centuries! until, finally, when they actually crucified His Divine Son, God turned His blessing to a curse.

    The seventeen prophetic books of the Old Testament had repeatedly foretold that God would do this. The entire New Testament confirms it as done.
    It shows that we need to study the holy scripture more