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Offline poche

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Vatican declines to approve French Ambassador
« on: April 11, 2015, 01:23:26 AM »
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  • In January, the French government appointed Laurent Stefanini as its ambassador to the Holy See, but three months later, the Vatican has not approved the appointment—leading to European media reports that the lack of approval stems from Stefanini’s ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity.

    Le Monde and Corriere della Sera reported that Cardinal André Vingt-Trois of Paris interceded with Pope Francis on behalf of the nomination of Stefanini, a former official of the French embassy at the Vatican. La Croix reported that Cardinal Jean-Louis Tauran, the former Vatican foreign minister who now serves as president of the Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue, also supports the appointment.

    However, according to Le Monde, Pope Francis has decided to “freeze the dossier,” while La Croix reported that French President François Hollande maintained his support for Stefanini in a recent private conversation.

    http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=24582


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    Vatican declines to approve French Ambassador
    « Reply #1 on: April 15, 2015, 11:43:17 PM »
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  • The French government is still awaiting a Vatican response to the nomination of Laurent Stefanini as ambassador to the Holy See.

    Stefanini’s nomination has been on hold for three months, and French media outlets have reported that Pope Francis chose to “freeze the dossier” because of reports that the proposed French ambassador is ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ.

    A spokesman for the French foreign ministry said that the government is still waiting for the Vatican’s response to the nomination, and added: “Laurent Stefanini has all the qualities necessary for this post.”

    The Vatican has made no comment on the nomination. It is established practice in the diplomatic world that a country may decline to accept an ambassador’s nomination, with no explanation required.

    http://www.catholic culture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=24622

    So much for "who am I to judge?" I guess that only applies to those who are contrite and are sincerely seeking God.  


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    Vatican declines to approve French Ambassador
    « Reply #2 on: April 20, 2015, 03:30:00 PM »
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  • Most likely Bergoglio was just too disorganized to respond.  Had better things to do like make phone calls to random individuals.  He probably just closes his eyes and pokes his finger into Rome's equivalent of the "White Pages" every night ... just for entertainment purposes.

    "Hi, this is Pope Francis.  Is your refrigerator running?  ... [Yes] ... Then you had better go catch it."


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    Vatican declines to approve French Ambassador
    « Reply #3 on: April 20, 2015, 03:39:46 PM »
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    So much for "who am I to judge?" I guess that only applies to those who are contrite and are sincerely seeking God.  


    You've got to be kidding me.  He wants adulterers to receive Communion without changing their living situations.  He doesn't judge them either, and they're not contrite.  Is there any limit to how far you will go to explain away his scandalous actions?

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    « Reply #4 on: April 20, 2015, 11:54:17 PM »
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  • Quote from: SoldierOfChrist
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    So much for "who am I to judge?" I guess that only applies to those who are contrite and are sincerely seeking God.  


    You've got to be kidding me.  He wants adulterers to receive Communion without changing their living situations.  He doesn't judge them either, and they're not contrite.  Is there any limit to how far you will go to explain away his scandalous actions?


    The only time tha tI heard this allegation made it was under circuмstances in which he could not respond. It is very likely that the person who decsribed the situation was someone who did not completely explain the entire situation.
    With respect to the ambassador here is someone who has not been accepted primariy because the Pope disapproves of his supposed immoral lifestyle.  


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    Vatican declines to approve French Ambassador
    « Reply #5 on: April 22, 2015, 01:06:06 AM »
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  • “The arrival on the throne of Peter of a theologian like Benedict XVI is without a doubt an exception. John XXIII was not a theologian by profession. Pope Francis is also more pastoral, and the congregation for the doctrine of the faith has the mission of the theological structuring of a pontificate."

    These words of Cardinal Gerhard Ludwig Müller, prefect of the congregation for the doctrine of the faith, in an interview with the French newspaper “La Croix” on March 29, have raised nervous reactions in the camp of the ultra-Bergoglians.

    The historian Alberto Melloni has dismissed the cardinal’s intention of "theologically structuring" the pontificate of Francis as “a comic outburst of subversive paternalism.”

    While the vaticanista Andrea Tornielli has denounced it as an abuse of power exceeding the duties of the congregation, in addition to being offensive toward the current pontificate, judged as being insufficient in its theological “structure” and stature.

    But that in fact some of the statements - and among the most famous - made by Pope Francis suffer from a lack of clarity is plain for all to see.

    Two of these have recently returned to the center of the debate.

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    The first is the famous question “Who am I to judge?” as applied to the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ who “is seeking the Lord and has good will.”

    Francis launched this question at the press conference on July 28, 2013 on the return flight to Rome from Rio de Janeiro.

    He repeated it in the extensive interview a few weeks a later with “La Civiltà Cattolica,” adding that “spiritual interference in personal life is not possible.”

    Without ever clarifying in what sense the question relates on the one hand to the evangelical saying “Do not judge and you will not be judged," but on the other to the power to "bind and loose" given by Jesus to Peter.

    The fact is that the ambiguity of the phrase has contributed enormously to Pope Francis’ success in the media.

    Only to come back to bite him, as is happening these days on account of the lack of Vatican approval for the new ambassador to the Holy See designated by the French government.

    Back in 2007 the Holy See had withheld approval for another ambassador proposed by Paris, Jean-Loup Kuhn-Delforge, because he was openly ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ and cohabiting with a companion in a legally recognized form.

    It is the consistent practice of the Holy See, in fact, to refuse diplomatic credentials for anyone in a condition of marital “irregularity” with respect to the Catholic canons.

    But Laurent Stefanini (in the photo), the person now in question, does not appear to be in this irregular situation. He is a practicing Catholic, confirmed as an adult, single, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ but without ideological grievances. From 2001 to 2005 he was an attaché at the French embassy to the Holy See and came to be appreciated by the latter, seeing that at the end of his service he was decorated with the order of Saint Gregory. His current candidacy for ambassador was backed by the archbishop of Paris, Cardinal André Vingt-Trois, although he is highly engaged in opposing “gender” ideology, and was defended by Ludovine de la Rochère, president of the pro-family movement “Manif pour tous.”

    Designated by the French government on January 5, a month later Stefanini received from the apostolic nuncio in Paris, Archbishop Luigi Ventura, the request to withdraw on account of his ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ orientation.

    But neither Stefanini nor the government of Paris have given in. And in early April the case exploded in the media.

    The Vatican has declined to comment.

    But this rejection of credentials appears to be in glaring contradiction not only with that “Who am I to judge” which has become the trademark of the pontificate of Jorge Mario Bergoglio, but also and above all with the unprecedented number of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ churchmen promoted in the last two years to important positions in close contact with the pope.

    With regard to these churchmen, including Monsignor Battista Ricca of scandal-strewn past, director of the Casa di Santa Marta and “prelate” of the IOR, no veto has ever been raised. On the contrary, the opposite has happened.



    http://chiesa.espresso.repubblica.it/articolo/1351029?eng=y

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    Vatican declines to approve French Ambassador
    « Reply #6 on: April 23, 2015, 12:01:54 AM »
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  • Pope Francis has met privately with the French government’s nominee to become ambassador to the Holy See, but the nomination remains unconfirmed.

    A French government spokesman announced on April 22 that Laurent Stefanini, whose nomination has not been accepted by the Vatican, had a brief meeting with the Pontiff. Neither the French government nor the Vatican commented on the substance of that meeting.

    Stefanini was proposed to the Vatican in January. The French government spokesman confirmed that Paris is still “waiting for the Vatican’s reply after the usual discussions and review of his candidacy.”

    In recent weeks, media outlets in France and Italy have reported that the Vatican has blocked Stefanini’s appointment because the French diplomat is ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ. The would-be ambassador is a practicing Catholic who has never publicly identified himself as ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ, and the French foreign ministry has discouraged questions on the topic, urging reporters to respect his privacy.

    One French publication—Le Canard Enchainé, a satirical paper—reported that during his meeting with Stefanini, Pope Francis said that he had blocked the nomination because he thought the nomination of a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ envoy was provocative, in the wake of the legal acceptance of same-sex marriage in France. That report is unconfirmed.

    http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=24696

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    Vatican declines to approve French Ambassador
    « Reply #7 on: April 24, 2015, 01:20:13 AM »
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  • The Vatican has not yet made a decision regarding the appointment of a new ambassador from France to the Holy See, the respected Roman news agency I Media reports.

    Contrary to rumors that have circulated widely in the French and Italian media, the Vatican has not rejected the nomination of Laurent Stefanini, who is described as a “discrete” ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ, I Media reports. The agency says that a meeting between the would-be French ambassador and Pope Francis was “particularly cordial,” and the two men prayed together.

    According to I Media, during the meeting Pope Francis questioned Stefanini about how he would carry out his duties as the French envoy in Rome.

    http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=24722