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Offline Pravoslavni

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« on: December 05, 2007, 12:41:15 PM »
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  • Gee.. they forget to mention that John Wesley, the brother of Charles, also taught that the "Romish Papacy" was the 'beast' from the book of Revelation.

    CATHOLICS-METHODISTS Dec-4-2007 (620 words) xxxi

    Charles Wesley's hymns provide soundtrack for Rome ecuмenical event

    By Cindy Wooden
    Catholic News Service

    ROME (CNS) -- Catholics, Anglicans and Methodists filled Rome's Basilica of St. Paul Outside the Walls with some of the most famous hymns written by Charles Wesley at a service marking the 300th anniversary of the Methodist reformer's birth.

    The songs, featured in hymnals across denominational lines, were the focal point of the Dec. 3 ecuмenical evening prayer service in the Catholic basilica.

    The Rev. John Barrett, president of the World Methodist Council said, "It was mind-blowing really" to celebrate Wesley and sing his hymns "in Rome with an ecuмenical gathering."

    "I think Charles Wesley would be thrilled. He did not write these hymns just for Methodist people, but because they expressed Christian truths," Rev. Barrett said.

    Cardinal Walter Kasper, president of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity, presided over the prayer service and told the congregation it was appropriate to celebrate the anniversary of Wesley's birth with his songs because it is "through these hymns that Roman Catholics have come to know and appreciate" him.

    Charles Wesley and his older brother, John, were Anglican ministers who began the reform movement that eventually became the Methodist church. While John's break with the Church of England was almost total, Charles continued to serve as an Anglican minister until his death.

    The younger Wesley wrote some 6,000 hymns, including "Hark! The Herald Angels Sing," "Christ the Lord Is Risen Today" and "Love Divine, All Love Excelling."

    Cardinal Kasper said the "eloquent language and theological depth" of Wesley's hymns address the basic truths of Christian faith that Catholics and Methodists hold in common.

    They speak of "God's universal love made known in Jesus Christ, the call to scriptural holiness and renewal of life, the sacramental life of the church, Christian hope and the presence of the Holy Spirit," the cardinal said.

    Rev. Barrett told the congregation, "Methodism was born in song." But, unfortunately today even in Methodist congregations his hymns are increasingly replaced by "praise hymns long on emotion but short on theology," he said.

    He said young people seem to find it difficult to sing traditional hymns, and they seem to have difficulty articulating what they believe. "I think the two are related," he added.

    In an interview after the service, he said he thought too many Christians of all denominations are turning to "easy, undemanding worship songs."

    "It is a great pity if you do not sing hymns with a theological content; you will not learn to articulate theological truths," he said.

    Anglican Bishop John Flack, the archbishop of Canterbury's representative in Rome, also participated in the service, which featured a quartet from the Church of England parish in Rome, an Italian Methodist choir and a Gospel choir from an African Methodist Episcopal Zion parish in Decatur, Ga.

    Bishop Flack read a message from Anglican Archbishop Rowan Williams of Canterbury, who said Wesley "made his theology so brilliantly accessible through his hymns, which taught generations of Anglicans and Methodists, and an increasingly large number of others, how to inhabit the world of scriptural and traditional imagery with grace and fervor and intelligence."

    The Rev. George Freeman, general secretary of the World Methodist Council, said Wesley's hymns have been used in the official Catholic-Methodist dialogue to demonstrate how many essentials of faith and doctrine the two hold in common.

    "We have found a resonance that, like a tuning fork, strikes a responsive chord within us both," he said. "We are encouraged that our dialogue partners see the hymns of Charles Wesley as gifts to be received and as a theological source, which can assist us in working toward full communion in faith, mission and sacramental life."

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    Offline gladius_veritatis

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    « Reply #1 on: December 06, 2007, 11:38:21 AM »
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  • Why not?  JP2 celebrated Luther's birthday IN A LUTHERAN CHURCH in Rome!
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."


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    « Reply #2 on: December 07, 2007, 04:02:33 PM »
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    "We have found a resonance that, like a tuning fork, strikes a responsive chord within us both," he said.


    And like the fork of the devil, it will even more destroy the Catholic Faith in the Novus Ordo mainstream. Disheartening...

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    « Reply #3 on: December 10, 2007, 11:31:48 AM »
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    Cardinal Kasper said the "eloquent language and theological depth" of Wesley's hymns address the basic truths of Christian faith that Catholics and Methodists hold in common.


    I've sung lots of Charles Wesley's hymns.  Many of them are quite good.  But "eloquent language and theological depth" are not the reasons Kasper sings the high praises of Wesley.  He does so because he is no longer Catholic, but falsely ecuмenical.  He uses this brillant Protestant hymn writer to try to split further asunder the indestructible truth of one Holy, Catholic and apostolic Church.  We all know Cardinal Kasper and what his true motives are.

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    « Reply #4 on: December 10, 2007, 01:17:17 PM »
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  • Why did Pope Benedict XVI "President of Christian Unity"?   Did he forget how displeased he was with Kasper for signing a declartion in Germany allowing divorcees to remarry civilly and remain in the Church (a decree that is without validity, none the less).

    He's got his agenda, alright.