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Offline Dawn

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Vatican astronomer likens creationism to superstition
« on: December 13, 2007, 02:31:46 PM »
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  • Vatican astronomer likens creationism to superstition
    Glasgow, Dec. 6, 2007 (CWNews.com) - A Jesuit astronomer from the Vatican Observatory has said that scientific creationism is a form of superstition.

    Speaking in Glasgow this week, Brother Guy Consolmagno said that scientists should protect against the tendency of religion to slide into superstition. In turn, he said, science needs religion "in order to have a conscience." In the case of creationism, he said, believers have constructed a theory that is not supported by scientific facts.  


    I learn something new everyday from the ever changing and evolving teachings from Rome.


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    Vatican astronomer likens creationism to superstition
    « Reply #1 on: December 13, 2007, 03:50:20 PM »
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  • This isn't a teaching from Rome it is the opinion of one Jesuit.


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    Vatican astronomer likens creationism to superstition
    « Reply #2 on: December 14, 2007, 07:31:38 AM »
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  • Well, of course, I will wait for Benedict XVI to issue a correction to the Jesuit of works for the Vatican Observatory. Surely one shall come postehaste because if there remains only silence people will bge led astray thinking Benedict concurs.

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    Vatican astronomer likens creationism to superstition
    « Reply #3 on: December 14, 2007, 12:48:18 PM »
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  • You are also trying to lead people astray Dawn, you find what he said scandalising and now your perpetuating the scandal, in doing so you make yourself a cause of scandal to those who otherwise would not have been aware of these words.  Also your expectations of the Pope are ridiculous there are simply too many people in the Church for him to know what everyone of them is saying all of the time.

    You might be interested to know CWNews.com has now removed the story.

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    Vatican astronomer likens creationism to superstition
    « Reply #4 on: December 14, 2007, 03:23:55 PM »
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  • I said that I hope Benedict or someone from the Vatican comes out with the True teaching to counter this. Is that wrong? And, you fool yourself only if you think they would not be aware of what this Jesuit said, perhaps not Benedict himself but someone would be aware and condemn that false teaching.


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    Vatican astronomer likens creationism to superstition
    « Reply #5 on: December 14, 2007, 03:31:45 PM »
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  • Presenting to the press the docuмent Instruction on the Theologian's Ecclesial Vocation composed by the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith, Card. Joseph Ratzinger affirms that the teachings of the Popes against Modernism, Liberalism and Evolutionism are obsolete. According to him, they were only valid for the times for which they were written, for pastoral purposes. This is positively a modernist statement.

    At right, a picture of L'Osservatore Romano (June 27, 1990, page 6), where Ratzinger's statements are published; below right, photocopies from the Italian original; below left, our translation of the yellow parts.



    The text [of the docuмent Instruction on the Theologian's Ecclesial Vocation] also presents the various types of bonds that rise from the different degrees of magisterial teaching. It affirms - perhaps for the first time with this clarity - that there are decisions of the magisterium that cannot be the last word on the matter as such, but are, in a substantial fixation of the problem, above all an expression of pastoral prudence, a kind of provisorial disposition. The nucleus remains valid, but the particulars, which the circuмstances of the times influenced, may need further correction.

    In this regard, one may think of the declarations of Popes in the last century [19th century] about religious liberty, as well as the anti-Modernist decisions at the beginning of this century, above all, the decisions of the Biblical Commission of the time [on evolutionism]. As a cry of alarm in the face of hasty and superficial adaptations, they will remain fully justified. A personage such as Johann Baptist Metz said, for example, that the Church's anti-Modernist decisions render the great service of preserving her from falling into the liberal-bourgeois world. But in the details of the determinations they contain, they became obsolete after having fulfiled their pastoral mission at their proper time.

    (Joseph Ratzinger, "Instruction on the Theologian's Ecclesial Vocation," published with the title "Rinnovato dialogo fra Magistero e Teologia," in L'Osservatore Romano, June 27, 1990, p. 6)


    http://www.traditioninaction.org/ProgressivistDoc/A_093_Rat-TheologianVocation.htm

    Now, there is scandal

    We have brought up alot of subjects for discussion that is not leading people to scandal, but, trying to fugure our way in these times. Of course you must have the last word to have at it NOMAS

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    Vatican astronomer likens creationism to superstition
    « Reply #6 on: January 05, 2008, 07:55:38 AM »
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  • Looks like our friend in the observatory got more than a slap on the wrist.

    Pope orders Vatican Observatory to be dismantled

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    Vatican astronomer likens creationism to superstition
    « Reply #7 on: January 05, 2008, 11:39:25 PM »
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  • Well, as for me, I am a geocentrist/geostatist and creationist.
    "Non nobis, Domine, non nobis; sed nomini tuo da gloriam..." (Ps. 113:9)