Does Satan cast out Satan?

True, remember talking to a Baptist minister and basically asking him what he would do presented with a possession-said he would command the spirit leave in the name of Jesus...I was like "ok, fine for starters'...what if the demon did actually leave and then come back, do you do any follow up monitoring? What if the demon just went quiet and did not say anything, but remained?

He got more serious and said he had dealt with poessession 2 times......ok, fine, but as their is a strong anti-sacremantal nature of Arminianism, what then?

He was rather at a loss and did not want to discuss further....said it invited the devil to talk about it.....

Something I pointed out yrs ago when I used to go to Fundie forums anddebate-when the S____ hits the fan, they always wind up, in the end,calling on the Catholics to help....

This topic is important in terms of authority.  

An Exorcist has to have permission from his Bishop.  The bishop has to have jurisdiction.  

I'm taking a leap here, and thinking that Fr. Malachi Martin did not declare himself a sede vacantists for this very reason (among others)

I don't want to derail this very important topic.  But Fr. Amorth and his 300 fellow-exorcists OBEYED when they were turned out of St. Peter's Square.

My heart says that I wish they would have insisted on making the visit they had arranged...but that little historic moment is a very profound one for me.  If the exorcists refuse to obey authority, the devils will not obey them and depart from souls.

Belloc, I think you are right-I think in the end they end up making a phone call to a Catholic priest.

Catholic Martyr said:
Christ said:

Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven. Many will say to me in that day: Lord, Lord, have not we prophesied in thy name, and cast out devils in thy name, and done many miracles in thy name? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.

Is this statement understood by the Catholic Church to refer to Protestants?  That is how I take it.   This hypothetical "Christian" defending themselves on the Day of Judgment is only CLAIMING to have cast out demons in Christ's name, it doesn't mean he was actually able to do so.  I believe that only a Catholic priest of high virtue and in a state of grace can exorcize demons.

I understand that the very name of Jesus is a terrible thing to demons, no matter who it is wielded by.

No, I have had demonic or possessed people in my own life who were able to function around a crucifix and in fact these people often speak knowledgeably of Jesus in order to trick you.  I hate to quote Malachi Martin but he calls them the "perfectly possessed" ( he knew about it because he probably was one of them ).  

I am not an expert so take this with a grain of salt -- just my observation.  But I believe that possession is vampirism.  When the vampire first begins to bite, that is, when you first start to feel yourself overtaken by evil, you resist, you thrash your arms, you suffer as your soul begins to succuмb to the serpent.  This would be someone who is imperfectly possessed.  I'd say someone like Mel Gibson is perpetually in this state and that is why he is so tormented; his conscience is working against his acts of the will, which are mostly for bad.  But at least his torment shows he still has a conscience.

Someone who is imperfectly possessed is trying to have their cake and eat it too.  They are claiming to be religious while at the same time, for personal gain or for pleasure, doing the will of the devil.  This is what creates the agony.  

Then, there comes a moment in the life of the imperfectly possessed when they don't want to feel the torment anymore.  They may say, "I can do what I want, and God won't judge me" or "God is not real, it's all a myth."  They achieve nirvana or total delusion, which is really the intellect deciding to follow itself and its own vagaries instead of the law revealed by God through His Church.  They achieve a perfect peace because they have TURNED OFF their conscience.

At this moment the possession becomes perfect; they are now a puppet of the devil.  And if you met these people in daily life, they would seem totally normal, even sweet and gentle, yet they are really psychopaths whose "conscience has been seared with a hot iron" ( my favorite Biblical phrase because it so well describes the VII "priests" ).  Ravening wolves in the clothing of sheep.

Have you read about ponerology, the study of psychopaths?  I believe that most of the people you meet in daily life are functioning psychopaths who are perfectly possessed.  After all, they are cut off from the graces that we can only receive through the Church.  You yourself may be so, CM, since you never confess and never see a priest.  Not a cheery thought.

Bishop McKenna in Connecticut has performed many successful exorcisms.  He does not believe the occupier of the chair is a valid Pope and therefore does not ask his permission.  He obeys God in such matters and would readily obey a valid Pope.

Lucky for you that I am not the Admin. because I would ban you Raoul.  

Does he mean there are real Vampires (instead of Goth wannabees)? or is he make some analogy?

Bishop McKenna in Connecticut has performed many successful exorcisms.  He does not believe the occupier of the chair is a valid Pope and therefore does not ask his permission.  He obeys God in such matters and would readily obey a valid Pope.

If he's a true bishop I think he's got the authority.

I'm glad you brought him up.  I love him.  What would be interesting (if it is any of my business) would to know exactly how he started out performing the Rite of Exorcism, and how it went from there.  It is a very dangerous situation and I do know that permission must be granted somewhere.  Might it have been from Abp. Lefebvre?  Does anyone know when +McKenna started this work?

Did he utilise supplied jurisdiction?  Obviously there are/were a great number of bishops who would most certainly NOT grant permission, for various reasons.  I know that many NO clergy are ignorant beyond belief of diabolical possession.



 

Vampirism is a metaphor for having the spiritual life sucked out of you.  The devil's goal is to make you displeasing to God and for this end he will employ his agents to  make you do the wrong thing.  For instance, a virginal Catholic girl who falls for the "bad boy" and lets herself be seduced, committing a mortal sin -- the "bad boy" in this case would be the vampire.  

Vampires also work by getting you to offend God through false doctrine.  Montini was a vampire.  He didn't bite people with fangs but he got them to believe various lies, to be ecuмenical, and made them displeasing to God.

We are all more or less vampires, Christ called us all evil.  You'd have to be perfect to get through this life without doing any harm to anyone and only Christ and the Virgin Mary were perfect.  But those who deliberately seek to drag others to hell, to inflict heresy and mortal sin, those are truly the damned, the kings of vampires.  It's sort of a catch-all, colorful term for heretics, seducers, malefactors of all kinds.