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  • Taken from Dr. Chojnowski: : http://radtradthomist.chojnowski.me/2018/01/vatican-alert-francis-to-demand-oath-of.html

    Just in....A Translation of an Italian article coming from information circulating at the Vatican. Francis will demand Oath of Fidelity to Himself and His "Magisterium" from all Clerics in the "Church." All who do not take this Oath will be Suspended from their duties. My question is who amongst the traditionalists will continue the theological game of Twister and find a way to take the oath by cosmic acts of "mental reservation." 

    Here is the Breaking News.....Be ready for a very intense 2018!
    The Article whose translation Fr. Kramer says is 99% accurate:


    "Drrafts part LVII: the danger of the schism. Oath of fidelity to the magisterium of Bergoglio " of Fra Cristoforo

    I state that what is reported in the drafts comes from a source very much in the Vatican circles. And he tells me how important he feels about what he succeeds in "capturing" all the entourage that hangs out daily in Santa Marta. So I report exclusively what is "confided" to me. And the public for duty of Truth. I can tell you that the source is worthy of trust. Proof of this is the fact that so many drafts have now become sadly realized. Those who have not yet had implications, it is not that they will not happen. It is only a matter of time. Because, as you will have understood, things in Santa Marta can change from one day to another. It depends on the moods. We are simple ambassadors. And as they say: ambasciator does not bring penalty.

    Clarified this we arrive at the Spiffero. In terms of "reforms" Bergoglio has always had very clear ideas. From the first moment of his pontificate he beat the nail on: migrants, ecology, ecumenism. With the publication of Amoris Laetitia he then sealed his "relativism" in matters of morality. These points are now established in the neochiesa. Now in almost all the Parishes you do not hear about anything else. The faithful and children are taught nothing but the "verb" Bergoglio. Like an obsession.

    But as we have seen in these times, not all have aligned. And among these there are also Bishops and Cardinals. This is the concern of Bergoglio. Those who "resist". He can not stand it. He is stronger than him. Here then is what Santa Marta has been studying for a few months.

    My source told me that a sort of "act of fidelity to the pope (obviously Omissis) and his magisterium" is under study. The small letters are desired.

    This kind of "act of fidelity" will be required of all clerics of the Catholic Church, deacons, priests, bishops and cardinals. And it must be formally pronounced. In the various dioceses a day will be chosen in which all, bishop, priests and deacons will have to pronounce solemnly this formal act. Which means to promise "blind loyalty" to the "magisterium" and the teaching of Bergoglio. Of course it will be mandatory. Those who do not make this "promise" will have to consider themselves "suspended a divinis".

    If this draft were to happen (I hope not), we will be at the turn. And I believe that nobody will save us from the schism. Also because how can we lend loyalty to a heretical magisterium?

    In my opinion there will be a rift never seen in the history of the Church. The Neighbor of Bergoglio, and those who will remain faithful to the Traditional Teaching of the Church. And hence the total confusion.

    Regarding the times, the source has not been unbalanced. He told me about a few months. He told me that the text is being prepared.

    I think it's time to increase prayer. We strongly invoke the Madonna who can save us from this disaster. Let's do Eucharistic adoration. Let us pray to the Apostles, the Martyrs, the Saints, the Souls of Purgatory, the Archangels, the Angels. Let's move Heaven as much as possible. Because if such a thing happens, the battle will really be furious. We pray so much! Let us pray for one another, because none of us yields before the enemy. We also add fasting! At least who can do it!

    It's true. The Lord has told us that the gates of hell will not prevail. But he did not tell us there will be no battle. The battle will be there. And it will be the decisive one.

    Fra Cristoforo

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    Re: Vatican Alert! Francis to Demand Oath of "Fidelity" to Himself
    « Reply #1 on: January 10, 2018, 08:45:50 AM »
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  • But will Bp. Fellay take the "Oath of Fidelity" to Francis ?



    This drama has me at the edge of my seat  :popcorn:
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: Vatican Alert! Francis to Demand Oath of "Fidelity" to Himself
    « Reply #2 on: January 10, 2018, 11:06:57 AM »
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    Excellent, makes things black and white, though I doubt Bergolio will do it, the Vatican II church has always thrived in the gray.
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24

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    Re: Vatican Alert! Francis to Demand Oath of "Fidelity" to Himself
    « Reply #3 on: January 17, 2018, 05:28:11 PM »
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  • I take an oath to serve Jesus

    Cathlics should not find it inconceivable that a pope would not be a Christian

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    Re: Vatican Alert! Francis to Demand Oath of "Fidelity" to Himself
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  • Taken from Dr. Chojnowski: : http://radtradthomist.chojnowski.me/2018/01/vatican-alert-francis-to-demand-oath-of.html

    Just in....A Translation of an Italian article coming from information circulating at the Vatican. Francis will demand Oath of Fidelity to Himself and His "Magisterium" from all Clerics in the "Church." All who do not take this Oath will be Suspended from their duties. My question is who amongst the traditionalists will continue the theological game of Twister and find a way to take the oath by cosmic acts of "mental reservation."

    Here is the Breaking News.....Be ready for a very intense 2018!
    The Article whose translation Fr. Kramer says is 99% accurate:


    "Drafts part LVII: the danger of the schism. Oath of fidelity to the magisterium of Bergoglio" of Fra Cristoforo

    I state that what is reported in the drafts comes from a source very much in the Vatican circles. And he tells me how important he feels about what he succeeds in "capturing" all the entourage that hangs out daily in Santa Marta. So I report exclusively what is "confided" to me. And the public for duty of Truth. I can tell you that the source is worthy of trust. Proof of this is the fact that so many drafts have now become sadly realized. Those who have not yet had implications, it is not that they will not happen. It is only a matter of time. Because, as you will have understood, things in Santa Marta can change from one day to another. It depends on the moods. We are simple ambassadors. And as they say: ambasciator does not bring penalty.

    Clarified this we arrive at the Spiffero. In terms of "reforms" Bergoglio has always had very clear ideas. From the first moment of his pontificate he beat the nail on: migrants, ecology, ecumenism. With the publication of Amoris Laetitia he then sealed his "relativism" in matters of morality. These points are now established in the neochiesa. Now in almost all the Parishes you do not hear about anything else. The faithful and children are taught nothing but the "verb" Bergoglio. Like an obsession.

    But as we have seen in these times, not all have aligned. And among these there are also Bishops and Cardinals. This is the concern of Bergoglio. Those who "resist". He can not stand it. He is stronger than him. Here then is what Santa Marta has been studying for a few months.

    My source told me that a sort of "act of fidelity to the pope (obviously Omissis) and his magisterium" is under study. The small letters are desired.

    This kind of "act of fidelity" will be required of all clerics of the Catholic Church, deacons, priests, bishops and cardinals. And it must be formally pronounced. In the various dioceses a day will be chosen in which all, bishop, priests and deacons will have to pronounce solemnly this formal act. Which means to promise "blind loyalty" to the "magisterium" and the teaching of Bergoglio. Of course it will be mandatory. Those who do not make this "promise" will have to consider themselves "suspended a divinis".

    If this draft were to happen (I hope not), we will be at the turn. And I believe that nobody will save us from the schism. Also because how can we lend loyalty to a heretical magisterium?

    In my opinion there will be a rift never seen in the history of the Church. The Neighbor of Bergoglio, and those who will remain faithful to the Traditional Teaching of the Church. And hence the total confusion.


    Regarding the times, the source has not been unbalanced. He told me about a few months. He told me that the text is being prepared.

    I think it's time to increase prayer. We strongly invoke the Madonna who can save us from this disaster. Let's do Eucharistic adoration. Let us pray to the Apostles, the Martyrs, the Saints, the Souls of Purgatory, the Archangels, the Angels. Let's move Heaven as much as possible. Because if such a thing happens, the battle will really be furious. We pray so much! Let us pray for one another, because none of us yields before the enemy. We also add fasting! At least who can do it!

    It's true. The Lord has told us that the gates of hell will not prevail. But he did not tell us there will be no battle. The battle will be there. And it will be the decisive one.

    Fra Cristoforo
    If this draft were to happen (I hope not), we will be at the turn. And I believe that nobody will save us from the schism. Also because how can we lend loyalty to a heretical magisterium?

    In my opinion there will be a rift never seen in the history of the Church. The Neighbor of [friend of or loyal to] Bergoglio [vs.] those who will remain faithful to the Traditional Teaching of the Church. And hence the total confusion.
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    Pope Paul VI got rid of the Oath Against Modernism, and in its place he published a "Vatican Statement" which was an oath of fidelity to the Pope.
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    I was at a conference in 1999 in Hamilton, Canada, when a certain priest from the British Isles (as I recall it was Scotland) also attended. He was driving everyone crazy with his disruptive questions and bizarre accusations, making the whole thing seem like Vat.II revisited. I approached the priest and asked him if he would like to say a prayer with me, and he said okay, what prayer? I said, the Oath Against Modernism by Pope St. Pius X. He suddenly changed his demeanor, and said he would like to suggest a more recent prayer, the one the Holy Office has given us to use instead of the Oath, it is an oath of fidelity to the Pope. I asked him where I could find a copy and he said that I should have no problem finding it online. So I went across the street to an Internet Cafe, and searched for a copy. Being unable to find it, I returned to tell the priest, and that's when he told me I would have to search under "Vatican Statements."
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    I remember this happening, but I don't recall whether I found the text or not. Now I don't see it on the Internet.
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    The point is, it seems to me that Francis is merely doing the same thing that Paul VI did back then. This Francis is turning into a re-incarnation of the worst pope in the history of the Church! A sort of Frankenfrancis or Frankenpope.
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    Re: Vatican Alert! Francis to Demand Oath of "Fidelity" to Himself
    « Reply #5 on: January 25, 2018, 10:07:48 PM »
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  • I take an oath to serve Jesus

    Cathlics should not find it inconceivable that a pope would not be a Christian
    Sorry but Frank is Not true Il Papa... irrespective of whether or not he is a heretic.

    THERE IS NO WAY HIS ALLEGED ELECTION CAN B CONSTRUED AS LEGAL... :sleep:
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'

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    Re: Vatican Alert! Francis to Demand Oath of "Fidelity" to Himself
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  • .
    Also from Chojnowski's site:
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    Re: Vatican Alert! Francis to Demand Oath of "Fidelity" to Himself
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  • Is this like the oath against modernism?


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    Re: Vatican Alert! Francis to Demand Oath of "Fidelity" to Himself
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  • Is this like the oath against modernism?

    Except that it's an oath FOR modernism.

    Francis is probably just annoyed (in his great humility) with people who questioned Amoris Laetitia.

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    Is this like the oath against modernism?

    Except that it's an oath FOR modernism.
    Francis is probably just annoyed (in his great humility) with people who questioned Amoris Laetitia.
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    Now, now, now. Careful, Ladislaus! You're forgetting about the hermeneutic of continuity!! 
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    (According to which, this can be an oath FOR Modernism AND and oath AGAINST Modernism all at the same time.)
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    Re: Vatican Alert! Francis to Demand Oath of "Fidelity" to Himself
    « Reply #10 on: January 27, 2018, 10:23:56 AM »
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  • It is not likely that Pope Francis will "demand (an) oath of 'fidelity' to himself".  Firstly, it would be stupid for a number of reasons and Francis is not stupid.  Furthermore, the 1989 Profession of Faith already requires an oath of unconditional submission of the mind and will to the "authentic magisterium."  The "authentic magisterium" is essentially a synonym for the person of the pope.  The recent declaration that Amoris Laetitia is an act of the "authentic magisterium" is an appeal for unconditional submission of the "mind and will."  All Francis needs to do is demand every cleric who holds any position of jurisdiction in the Church keep the oath they have already taken. And since none that I know of hold Dogma as the proximate Rule of Faith, they will submit.
     
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