Author Topic: Vatican's "Manger of Darkness" (Read 5230 times)

2Vermont · « **Reply #30 on:** December 17, 2017, 07:40:03 AM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat on December 15, 2017, 03:36:55 AM

The display will be unveiled on December 7, on the eve of the Feast of the Immaculate Conception. However, in accordance with Italian tradition, the baby Jesus won't be placed in His manger until December 25. [/font][/size][/color]

Given I am relatively new to the tradition of leaving the baby Jesus out of the manger until Christmas, could someone tell me if it is also tradition to have the Three Wise Men literally at the manger before Christmas? Why would they be there at all? I could see them on the road to get there, but to actually be there?

I think the fact that they are already there with an empty manger implies something very different than...."oh, it's tradition to leave the manger empty until Christmas".

2Vermont · « **Reply #31 on:** December 17, 2017, 07:57:25 AM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat on December 16, 2017, 09:06:50 PM

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What exactly do the expressions of alarm and stress on all the faces have to do with "works/acts of mercy?"

So, I was wrong. Not only does the "pope" not condemn it, but he falsely gives it legitimacy.

Jovita · « **Reply #32 on:** December 20, 2017, 07:07:20 PM »

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #33 on:** December 20, 2017, 07:53:57 PM »

Quote from: 2Vermont on December 17, 2017, 07:40:03 AM

Given I am relatively new to the tradition of leaving the baby Jesus out of the manger until Christmas, could someone tell me if it is also tradition to have the Three Wise Men literally at the manger before Christmas? Why would they be there at all? I could see them on the road to get there, but to actually be there?

I think the fact that they are already there with an empty manger implies something very different than...."oh, it's tradition to leave the manger empty until Christmas".

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I don't claim to be an "expert" on this but in my experience, it is common practice among Catholics to keep the baby Jesus out of the manger scene until Christmas Day. Some like to keep the 3 Kings out as well, and even others don't bring the 3 Kings into the scene until January 6, Epiphany. I know of a monastery where the brothers set up the 3 Kings along the side of the road leading to their chapel, and each day they move the 3 Kings closer so that by Epiphany they are finally at the manger scene. Children are fascinated by seeing how the 3 Kings move every day.
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When I was a child my mother set up a manger scene in our home and she never had the 3 Kings until Epiphany and always had only Mary, Joseph, and a donkey and ox before Christmas, adding figures at the appropriate time. The manger scene was an historical commemoration.
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It seems Francis is trying to make the manger scene into a political statement or some kind of social justice display. The longstanding tradition of having the manger empty before Christmas might be just another play toy for Francis, who likes to make everything into a game or a stage prop for entertainment.
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I recall seeing a manger scene at a Lutheran church where they had the baby Jesus in the crib before Christmas and that seemed very strange, but then Protestants like to have Christmas all during December so that by the time the 25th comes, they're tired of it, and on the 26th they're pulling down the decorations, and the tree goes in the trash.
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Miseremini · « **Reply #34 on:** December 20, 2017, 08:40:52 PM »

A couple of decades before Vat II the Epiphany was called Three Kings Days in Canada, even on Church calendars.

Jovita · « **Reply #35 on:** December 20, 2017, 09:36:33 PM »

And in Hispanic homes, the three kings were brought out on the 6th of January as well, Los Reyes Mago (the Magi) and that is when the family opened their gifts.

Incredulous · « **Reply #36 on:** December 20, 2017, 10:30:48 PM »

Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on December 14, 2017, 10:24:19 PM

Here it is:

The perfect judaic setting.... Queers, millennials and iPhones.

2Vermont · « **Reply #37 on:** December 21, 2017, 06:38:16 AM »

The Vatican Nativity scene featuring a naked man, a corpse, and no sheep or oxen is the artistic offering of an abbey which is the focus of Italian LGBT activists, it has emerged.
Enquiries by LifeSiteNews have revealed that the Abbey of Montevergine, which donated the innovative ‘Nativity of Mercy,’ houses the Marian image that has been adopted as patroness by LGBT activists in Italy. The abbey shrine is the annual destination of a sort of sacred and profane “ancestral gαy pride” pilgrimage which, according to one LGBT activist, in recent years has gained the “active, political participation of the LGBT community.”
An official of the Vatican’s Governorate has told LifeSiteNews that the abbey of Montevergine initially proposed the original idea for the ‘Nativity of Mercy.’ The Vatican discussed and developed a more detailed design with the abbey, then submitted final plans to the Secretary of State and Pope Francis for approval, which was duly granted.
“The presence of the Vatican Nativity Scene for us is a reason to be even happier this year,” Antonello Sannini, president of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ activist group Arcigαy Naples, told LifeSiteNews on Tuesday. “For the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ and transsɛҳuąƖ community in Naples, it is an important symbol of inclusion and integration.”
More here:
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/vaticans-sɛҳuąƖly-suggestive-nativity-has-troubling-ties-to-italys-lgbt-act

1st Mansion Tenant · « **Reply #38 on:** December 21, 2017, 12:03:25 PM »

"houses the Marian image that has been adopted as patroness by LGBT activists in Italy.

:o They have made Our Lady patroness of sodomites. This, I would think, demands reparation.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #39 on:** December 25, 2017, 05:53:59 PM »

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There's a new story out of the Vatican this Christmas/midnightNewmass
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-christmas-season-pope-midnight-mass/pope-on-christmas-eve-says-faith-demands-respect-of-immigrants-idUSKBN1EI0K7
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Pope, on Christmas Eve, says faith demands respect of immigrants

Philip Pullella
4 MIN READ

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - Pope Francis strongly defended immigrants at his Christmas Eve Mass on Sunday, comparing them to Mary and Joseph finding no place to stay in Bethlehem and saying faith demands that foreigners be welcomed.

Francis, celebrating his fifth Christmas as leader of the world’s 1.2 billion Roman Catholics, led a solemn Mass for about 10,000 people in St. Peter’s Basilica while many others followed the service from the square outside.

Security was stepped up, with participants checked as they approached St. Peter’s Square even before going through metal detectors to enter the basilica. The square had been cleared out hours earlier so security procedures could be put in place.

The Gospel reading at the Mass in Christendom’s largest church recounted the Biblical story of how Mary and Joseph had to travel from Nazareth to Bethlehem to be registered for a census ordered by Roman Emperor Caesar Augustus.

“So many other footsteps are hidden in the footsteps of Joseph and Mary. We see the tracks of entire families forced to set out in our own day. We see the tracks of millions of persons who do not choose to go away, but driven from their land, leave behind their dear ones,” Francis said.

Even the shepherds who the Bible says were the first to see the child Jesus were “forced to live on the edges of society” and considered dirty, smelly foreigners, he said. “Everything about them generated mistrust. They were men and women to be kept at a distance, to be feared.”

“NEW SOCIAL IMAGINATION”

Wearing white vestments in the flower-bedecked church, Francis called for a “new social imagination ... in which none have to feel that there is no room for them on this earth.”

The 81-year-old pope, who was born of Italian immigrant stock in Argentina, has made defense of migrants a major plank of his papacy, often putting him at odds with politicians.

Austria’s new chancellor, Sebastian Kurz, has aligned himself with central European neighbors like Hungary and the Czech Republic in opposing German-backed proposals to distribute asylum seekers around EU member states.

In elections in Germany in September, the far-right and anti-immigrant Alternative for Germany (AfD) party made significant gains, with electors punishing Chancellor Angela Merkel for her open-door policy and pushing migration policy to the top of the agenda in talks to form a coalition government.

Italy’s anti-immigrant Northern League, whose leader Matteo Salvini often gives fiery speeches against migrants, is expected to make gains in national elections next year. A law that would give citizenship to children born in Italy to migrant parents is stalled in parliament.

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In his homily, Francis said, “Our docuмent of citizenship” comes from God, making respect of migrants an integral part of Christianity.

“This is the joy that we tonight are called to share, to celebrate and to proclaim. The joy with which God, in his infinite mercy, has embraced us pagans, sinners and foreigners, and demands that we do the same,” Francis said.

Francis also condemned human traffickers who make money off desperate migrants as the “Herods of today” with blood on their hands, a reference to the Biblical story of the king who ordered the killing of all newborn male children near Bethlehem because he feared Jesus would one day displace him.

More than 14,000 people have died trying to make the perilous crossing of the Mediterranean to Europe in the past four years.

On Christmas Day, Francis will deliver his twice-yearly “Urbi et Orbi” (To the City and to the World) blessing and message from the central balcony of St. Peter’s Basilica.

(In fourth paragraph, this story corrects to say Mary and Joseph, not Mary and Jesus.)

Reporting by Philip Pullella; Editing by Leslie Adler

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #40 on:** December 25, 2017, 05:55:55 PM »

Quote from: 2Vermont on December 21, 2017, 06:38:16 AM

The Vatican Nativity scene featuring a naked man, a corpse, and no sheep or oxen is the artistic offering of an abbey which is the focus of Italian LGBT activists, it has emerged.
Enquiries by LifeSiteNews have revealed that the Abbey of Montevergine, which donated the innovative ‘Nativity of Mercy,’ houses the Marian image that has been adopted as patroness by LGBT activists in Italy. The abbey shrine is the annual destination of a sort of sacred and profane “ancestral gαy pride” pilgrimage which, according to one LGBT activist, in recent years has gained the “active, political participation of the LGBT community.”
An official of the Vatican’s Governorate has told LifeSiteNews that the abbey of Montevergine initially proposed the original idea for the ‘Nativity of Mercy.’ The Vatican discussed and developed a more detailed design with the abbey, then submitted final plans to the Secretary of State and Pope Francis for approval, which was duly granted.
“The presence of the Vatican Nativity Scene for us is a reason to be even happier this year,” Antonello Sannini, president of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ activist group Arcigαy Naples, told LifeSiteNews on Tuesday. “For the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ and transsɛҳuąƖ community in Naples, it is an important symbol of inclusion and integration.”
More here:
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/vaticans-sɛҳuąƖly-suggestive-nativity-has-troubling-ties-to-italys-lgbt-act

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Thanks for this update, 2VT, it helps explain a lot.
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2Vermont · « **Reply #41 on:** December 25, 2017, 06:15:04 PM »

You're welcome Neil...sure does, doesn't it?

1st Mansion Tenant · « **Reply #42 on:** December 26, 2017, 12:59:06 AM »

https://nypost.com/2017/12/25/topless-activist-tries-to-steal-nativity-baby-jesus-in-rome/

from the article:

The drama took place a two hours before Pope Francis delivered his Christmas tidings to some 50,000 people in the square.
The woman was identified on FEMEN’s Web site as Alisa Vinogradova.
The stunt occurred the morning after a group of FEMEN activists protested at the nativity with “#metoo” painted on their bare chests and “assaulted by the church” scrawled across their abdomens.
FEMEN, founded in Ukraine, says its mandate is “complete victory of patriarchy.”
“A child is not from a god, but from a woman! For a woman is God!” FEMEN’s Web site wrote in its coverage of Monday’s near-snatching.
Another FEMEN activist undertook a similar caper back in 2014 on Christmas Day — successfully grabbing the baby Jesus from the altar before she was detained.

Cantarella · « **Reply #43 on:** December 27, 2017, 02:11:45 AM »

The Vatican is ocuppied by wretched fαɢɢօts.

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It turns out that the whole Vatican Nativity scene was commissioned by the Sanctuary of Montevergine, a Benedictine monastery outside of Naples...

The Sanctuary of Montevergine has long been notoriously and blasphemously claimed as a mascot and meeting place for sodomites and transvestites.

_{https://www.barnhardt.biz/2017/12/19/toldya-vatican-nativity-made-in-sodomite-and-transvestite-shrine-clear-winking-signal-to-sex-perverts/}

Cantarella · « **Reply #44 on:** December 27, 2017, 02:24:59 AM »

Modernism, the synthesis of all heresies, can produce nothing but uggliness and repulsiveness. It is all around us.

We know that God is the epitome of beauty and order, though. This cannot come from God, but from the enemy.

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