Author Topic: Vatican's "Manger of Darkness" (Read 4202 times)

Incredulous · « **on:** December 14, 2017, 08:49:07 AM »

Rome is full of rabbis, ʝʊdɛօ-masonics and despicable QUEERS!

A manger of darkness (in the Vatican)

In the Vatican Square they have put a manger, but a manger of darkness, with dead and naked man included. What do a dead and naked man do in a manger? But what twisted minds are the authors of such desecration of the mystery of the birth of the Child God?
Nothing less than in the heart of Christianity puts on an offensive and blasphemous manger. We are before an example of the new evangelization, which has as its flag blasphemy, sacrilege and apostasy.
It's a manger mockery.
It is an offensive and blasphemous crib.
It is a manger that leaves the tradition completely.
It is a nightmare crib, which takes away sleep.
It is a manger without tenderness.
It is a manger fruit of twisted and dirty minds.
It is a crib infused and inspired by Satan himself.
It is a manger that destroys the truth of the Catholic faith.
It is a manger that offends the most intimate Catholic sensibility.
It is an ugly manger, without taste, to run away.
It is a manger that shows a false scene to confuse and induce error.
It is a manger that deserves a rejection of the faithful on the level of the universal Church.
We are before the work of the human mind, but without Catholic faith; it is the twisted mind of the mocking and burlesque man, charlatan and reveler, sacrilegious and perverted; it is the mind of the desecrator of the sacred, who laughs at the unchanging faith of tradition; It is the mind of man who plays at being a little god, who imposes his miserable ideas as an object of worship and belief.

Where is the joy of the moment with the dead man in the manger? Where the sanctity? Where the immaculate purity of the scene of the Holy Family with the naked man? Where is the mystery of the birth of the Child God? Where is the mystery of the Redemptive Work? God becomes man to redeem man from sin, so what does a naked man do? Where is the modesty, the innocence, the purity, the chastity, the modesty, the honesty that inspires the scene of the manger?
We are facing an inadmissible offense to the foundations of the faith.
All the faithful should flood the Vatican with letters and emails of rejection for such an offense to the Child God, to the purity of Mary and the chastity of Saint Joseph.
We can not keep quiet any longer. The Vatican is offended by our faith. From the head of the Church flows the mud that dirtied the face of the Church.
Let us move, but not to support heresy and sacrilege, if not to oppose it. Let us begin by addressing our most vigorous rejection of the Vatican and the Papal Nuncio in each country.
Catholics say: ENOUGH! Do not offend our faith anymore!
Carlos María Rey

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Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #1 on:** December 14, 2017, 08:53:38 AM »

That is creepy. With sodomists, there is always naked men.

Last Tradhican · « **Reply #2 on:** December 14, 2017, 09:14:30 AM »

By their deeds you shall know them.

It could not be more obvious.

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #3 on:** December 14, 2017, 09:21:08 AM »

I don't want to go to Church.
This isn't the Catholic Church.
Is it a sin if I miss Mass?

Incredulous · « **Reply #4 on:** December 14, 2017, 10:51:52 AM »

Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on December 14, 2017, 09:21:08 AM

I don't want to go to Church.
This isn't the Catholic Church.
Is it a sin if I miss Mass?

IMHO, I'd suggest finding an independent TLM chapel and assisting at Mass there.

We've been in the catacombs for several years now, but most Catholics don't want to admit it.

PG · « **Reply #5 on:** December 14, 2017, 11:34:14 AM »

Do you think Michaelangelo with his nude crucifixion, multitude of nudes, and buttocks of God would approve of this? Probably. I mean, where do you think he learned how to carve such sculptures? He learned to from exposed dead people. So, the corpse in this nativity scene isn't so far off. Rome has a long tradition of the utilizing the dead corpse. So, if you aren't going to complain about the causes, don't complain about the symptoms.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #6 on:** December 14, 2017, 01:33:05 PM »

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So this is the latest outrage. It fits the pattern.
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In past years, there have been scandals in the manger scene at St. Peter's Basilica, too.
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In 2014 a topless woman FEMEN protestor snatched the infant Jesus from the crib the day after the Pope had placed Him there.
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About 3 years ago I recall hearing about an alarming fad of stealing the infant Jesus from Nativity scenes all over the world but I never looked up the story behind it.
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Here's one article still found online:
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https://www.rt.com/news/217703-femen-topless-jesus-christmas/
Published time: 25 Dec, 2014 21:08
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A topless FEMEN protester tried to kidnap Baby Jesus from the manger at St. Peter's Square in Vatican City after the Pope's Christmas message on Thursday. The activist was stopped and arrested in front of shocked believers.
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With the words “God is woman” painted across her naked chest, the activist squeezed though a hole in a fence surrounding the nativity scene.
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The woman rushed to the manger in the center of the square, grabbed the Jesus figurine, and raised it above her head while shouting slogans against the Catholic Church. However, a Vatican guard was quick to block her. The activist was quickly covered with a coat and handed over to police.
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The Jesus figurine was unveiled by the Pope during the Christmas Eve mass on Wednesday.
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READ MORE: Femen branch pelts Belgian PM with chips and mayo (VIDEO)
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The action was in protest against “the centuries-old Vatican stance on women's rights for own body and reproductive function,” the group's webpage states. FEMEN has announced an anti-clerical "Massacre of the Innocents" campaign, calling for the stealing of Baby Jesus from churches around the world.
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“The maniacal desire to control women's fertility is a common trait of many religions, National Socialism, nationalism and other antediluvian, anti-humanist ideologies. Abortion is sacred,”the group says on its site.
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This is not the first time that FEMEN has targeted Vatican City. On November 14, several topless women protested in St. Peter's Square against Pope Francis’ visit to the European Parliament in
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Strasbourg. Their slogan that time was “The pope is not a politician, god is not a magician.”
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READ MORE: Topless Femen deface Christian cross in Vatican (GRAPHIC VIDEO)
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FEMEN is a radical feminist protest group founded in Ukraine in 2008. The group is now based in Paris. The organization has become internationally known for its topless protests against religious institutions, sexism, homophobia, and other social, national, and international issues.
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Neil Obstat · « **Reply #7 on:** December 14, 2017, 01:57:02 PM »

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Curious article -- Intro image is from some unidentified previous year, but the text anticipates THIS year's creche (2017/11/22):
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https://www.romereports.com/en/2017/11/22/preparations-begin-for-christmas-manger-in-st-peters-square/
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Preparations begin for Christmas manger in St. Peter's Square
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In a tradition introduced by John Paul II during his papacy 35 years ago, St. Peter's Square will showcase a large Christmas manger beginning on December 7.
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Work has already begun in the square, as craftsmen are building the structure of the enclosure.
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These iron bars will provide support for the birth, which will occupy almost 900 square feet and measure nearly 23 feet tall. It will be composed of 20 life-size clay figures. The scene will be in the Neapolitan style of the 1970s. It's a gift from the Territorial Abbey of Montevergine, in Benevento, Italy.
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The idea seems to excite tourists who come to the square to see St. Peter's Basilica.
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“Putting a nativity scene here in St. Peter's Square seems completely normal to me, because it is, after all, a church. The nativity scene is a Christian representation of Christ's birth.”
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“I think it's great. The nativity scene is the symbol of Christmas.”
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The display will be unveiled on December 7, on the eve of the Feast of the Immaculate Conception. However, in accordance with Italian tradition, the baby Jesus won't be placed in His manger until December 25.
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Apparently the anticipation for this scene was built up to promote a feeling of normal Advent enthusiasm, with everyone saying that it was going to be "completely normal," "great... the symbol of Christmas," "seems to excite tourists."
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And then came the REALITY unveiled right on time, December 7th. With a difference. The angel cherubs have a shocked, horrified expression while they look upon a disturbing scene; one angel appears to be stricken with grief, he's crying.
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Neil Obstat · « **Reply #8 on:** December 14, 2017, 02:18:11 PM »

Quote from: PG on December 14, 2017, 11:34:14 AM

Do you think Michaelangelo with his nude crucifixion, multitude of nudes, and buttocks of God would approve of this? Probably. I mean, where do you think he learned how to carve such sculptures? He learned to from exposed dead people. So, the corpse in this nativity scene isn't so far off. Rome has a long tradition of the utilizing the dead corpse. So, if you aren't going to complain about the causes, don't complain about the symptoms.

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I disagree.
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Rome has a long tradition of utilizing the dead corpse but not in a Nativity scene.
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Even though Michaelangelo's works were alarming to many at the time, he was not a purveyor of retrograde putrefaction of virtue.
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He studied the form of the human body so he could accurately depict it in his art, but he did not portray degeneracy among saints.
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A dead corpse is one thing and glorifying the misery of angels and naked men at the Nativity of Our Lord is really twisted.
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A dead corpse and a naked man in torment has never been part of the manger scene.
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Why would you think that's a good idea? This corpse has one arm dangling like it's become a zombie -- just your thing, eh?
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The whole objective of this year's St. Peter's Square (actually it's Bernini's Square at St. Peter's Basilica) is shock and scandal.
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PG · « **Reply #9 on:** December 14, 2017, 03:27:10 PM »

neil obstat - shame on you. I have been a member of this forum for years. Of course I object to this manger scene. But, I object more to the fact that catholics no longer believe in the corporal works of mercy, particularly that of burying the dead. All of this nudity in our art is either the forbidden fruit of neglecting to bury the dead, or of immodesty. Both are not catholic. But, trads applaud and venerate its by product in art. Except, when they are not currently being weaponized by us, as in our day. It is all kiss up and kick down theology. Turn Christ into an idol or an idolater. Of course he is not an idolater. But, that is not the only thing I will complain about. Christ is neither an idol. Christ is the messiah, true God and true man.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #10 on:** December 14, 2017, 04:09:02 PM »

Quote from: PG on December 14, 2017, 03:27:10 PM

neil obstat - shame on you. I have been a member of this forum for years. Of course I object to this manger scene. But, I object more to the fact that catholics no longer believe in the corporal works of mercy, particularly that of burying the dead. All of this nudity in our art is either the forbidden fruit of neglecting to bury the dead, or of immodesty. Both are not catholic. But, trads applaud and venerate its by product in art. Except, when they are not currently being weaponized by us, as in our day. It is all kiss up and kick down theology. Turn Christ into an idol or an idolater. Of course he is not an idolater. But, that is not the only thing I will complain about. Christ is neither an idol. Christ is the messiah, true God and true man.

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Let's get this straight -- PG logic in process:

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>> Rome has a long tradition of utilizing the dead corpse.
>> Burying the dead is a corporal work of mercy.
>> Therefore Catholics who object to this Manger scene, no longer believe in burying the dead.
>> Michelangelo learned sculpture of the living by studying corpses of the dead.
>> And the corpse in this nativity scene isn't too far off from Michelangelo's style.
>> Therefore, Michelangelo would approve of this new Manger scene in Bernini's Square.
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Of course I object to this manger scene.

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You have an odd way of expressing your objection, especially when you complain about Catholics who object to it.
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All of this nudity in our art is either the forbidden fruit of neglecting to bury the dead, or of immodesty. Both are not catholic. But, trads applaud and venerate its by product in art. Except, when they are not currently being weaponized by us, as in our day.

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What are they that are not currently being weaponized, again? Nudity? Art? Forbidden fruit? Burying of the dead? Catholics? Trads? Immodesty's by-product in art? All these things? ("they are" is plural).
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PG · « **Reply #11 on:** December 14, 2017, 06:04:39 PM »

neil - You type and communicate like an uneducated teenager. I am drawing a parallel between the fact that nudity in catholic art is 100% proximate to catholic neglect of burying the dead/approval of their study/dissection. Did you get that? The theological word is proximate, meaning they are close. Yes, this manger is hideous. But, what you are complaining about has of recent tradition been the churches compliment in art, ironically enough. Shamefully, nudity(the byproduct of burial neglect/corpse study and/or immodest carnal revealing) has been a compliment in catholic art for the past 650 years. And, there is a 100% parallel. Just look at the art pre and post 1450. There is a night and day difference. So, just because you don't know what goes on behind the scenes(corpse study/dissection), doesn't mean that you are not held in some way responsible(especially if you approve of it) or affected by its damaging effects(denying corporal mercy).

In sum, these nudes are inspired and aided by satan, the modern examples not excluded.

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #12 on:** December 14, 2017, 10:16:08 PM »

Here is more sinful mangers:

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/a-hipster-holy-family-out-of-the-ordinary-nativities-on/article_a9ddc804-cb40-560c-9f4b-b5dd5e35c20a.html#tracking-source=home-top-story-1

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #13 on:** December 14, 2017, 10:24:19 PM »

Here it is:

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #14 on:** December 14, 2017, 10:30:24 PM »

If anyone wants to leave a voice message for Msgr. John Myler, the rector of the Cathedral of St. Peter in Belleville regarding the blasphemous hippy liberal nativity the phone number is 618-234-1166.

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