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Offline TomGubbinsKimmage

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Re: Validity of +Thuc-Line Bishops -- a 30-Second Debunk of the Kelly-ite Position
« Reply #90 on: Yesterday at 12:54:23 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on Yesterday at 12:08:27 PM
    The minister's intention ONLY applies to V2 rites, because the prayers of the Form have been gutted.  The minister's intention (interior forum) is NOT applicable to the True Rites.
    :laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:
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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Validity of +Thuc-Line Bishops -- a 30-Second Debunk of the Kelly-ite Position
    « Reply #91 on: Yesterday at 12:55:43 PM »
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    • Quote from: TomGubbinsKimmage on Yesterday at 12:54:23 PM
    :laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

    We see yet another troll bottomed out into where it's all he's got left.
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    Re: Validity of +Thuc-Line Bishops -- a 30-Second Debunk of the Kelly-ite Position
    « Reply #92 on: Yesterday at 12:57:11 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on Yesterday at 12:25:10 PM

    That's actually been SSPX propaganda for a couple decades to explain why they conditionally ordain even though they claim that the Rite itself is (at least potentially) valid.  There's no such principle.  They just made it up in order to justify having their cake and eating it too.

    Right. SSPX just "made it up". Like Archbishop Lefebvre just "made it up" when he doubted the validity of most Novus Ordos.

    SO glad to have clowns on the internet tell me they know better than Archbishop Lefebvre and his theologians.
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    Re: Validity of +Thuc-Line Bishops -- a 30-Second Debunk of the Kelly-ite Position
    « Reply #93 on: Yesterday at 01:00:12 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on Yesterday at 12:47:41 PM
    If that’s true, then the case against the V2 rites is a slam dunk.  They are positively doubtful, without question. 

    Yeah, this idea that you can have an ambiguous Rite that could be valid or invalid depending on some (unknowable internal forum) intention (as per Pope Leo XIII, despite the clown laughing above) ... this principle does not exist.  Pope Leo even made a mention of ambiguous Rites in AC as resolving to invalidity.

    SSPX invented this notion so they could justify having conditional ordinations (so as not to loose too many of the faithful to SVs or others) ... without having to say that the New Rites are outright invalid.

    I find it morally certain that they are invalid.  Pope Leo XIII taught that the removal of all references to the priest's power to offer the Holy Sacrifice so as to make the Rites not inconsistent with the errors of the "Reformers" indicates a non-Catholic intention of THE RITES.  He clearly says that the internal forum intention of the minister is no something the Church judges or an judge.  But the SSPX claim that, well, if the bishop / priest seem "conservative", then they have the correct intention, and their intention can somehow render the Rite invalid, something that Leo XIII explicitly rejects.
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    Re: Validity of +Thuc-Line Bishops -- a 30-Second Debunk of the Kelly-ite Position
    « Reply #94 on: Yesterday at 01:00:18 PM »
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    • oh and lets add the Dominicans of Avrille to that list of people "making up" theology too. 

    Years of theological study. Meditation. Immersion in the summa. 

    But along comes Ladislaus to tell us better.
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    Re: Validity of +Thuc-Line Bishops -- a 30-Second Debunk of the Kelly-ite Position
    « Reply #95 on: Yesterday at 01:01:43 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on Yesterday at 12:55:43 PM
    We see yet another troll bottomed out into where it's all he's got left.
    No not really. I feel like I have adequately made my point and you have adequately shown your madness. So we can leave it there since your authority rests on yourself, rather than anything more.
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    Re: Validity of +Thuc-Line Bishops -- a 30-Second Debunk of the Kelly-ite Position
    « Reply #96 on: Yesterday at 01:17:25 PM »
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    • Quote from: TomGubbinsKimmage on Yesterday at 01:01:43 PM
    No not really. I feel like I have adequately made my point and you have adequately shown your madness. So we can leave it there since your authority rests on yourself, rather than anything more.

    You've made absolutely no point whatsoever.  You toss words out there "intention" as if that's all that's required, to just say the word to prove your point.

    Begone now, Satan ... you've done your work.
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    Re: Validity of +Thuc-Line Bishops -- a 30-Second Debunk of the Kelly-ite Position
    « Reply #97 on: Yesterday at 02:10:48 PM »
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    • :laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:
    Begone from a resistance forum for espousing standard resistance viewpoints?
    Lol ok.
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    Re: Validity of +Thuc-Line Bishops -- a 30-Second Debunk of the Kelly-ite Position
    « Reply #98 on: Yesterday at 04:46:06 PM »
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    • Quote from: TomGubbinsKimmage on Yesterday at 02:10:48 PM
    :laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:
    Begone from a resistance forum for espousing standard resistance viewpoints?
    Lol ok.

    No, buddy ... for slandering people, smearing the character of Arcbishop Thuc.

    So what "standard resistance viewpoint" is that, that of the Resistance, or the True Resistance, or the Resistance to the False Resistance, or the False Resistance to the True Resistance ...

    Get lost.  There is no "standard" squat.  Father PFeiffer, one of the original and arguably founding members of the Resistance obviously considers the +Thuc orders to be valid, but then attacked +Williamson for other reasons.  Hewko then split from Pfeiffer ...
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    Re: Validity of +Thuc-Line Bishops -- a 30-Second Debunk of the Kelly-ite Position
    « Reply #99 on: Yesterday at 04:51:12 PM »
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    • Reminds me of the Monty Python skit, the People's Front of Judea, and the only people they hate more than the Romans are the Popular People's Front of Judea, and about 3 other variations.
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    Re: Validity of +Thuc-Line Bishops -- a 30-Second Debunk of the Kelly-ite Position
    « Reply #100 on: Today at 05:19:36 AM »
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    • Quote from: Maverick on September 05, 2025, 09:33:21 AM
    So much focus on validity, the orthodox have valid bishops and they aren’t Catholic.

    All THUC bishops today are sedevacantist or some sort of flavour, sedevacantism is a great error and not a son of the great Archbishop Lefebvre.

    Stay away from these THUC bishops, you and I today can decide we want to become a priest and absolutely find some THUC bishop to make us a priest in someone’s garage.
    Not "all"....   pfeiffer.....
    But I agree with the rest 100%!!!!  It is a rabbit hole you don't want to go down.
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    Re: Validity of +Thuc-Line Bishops -- a 30-Second Debunk of the Kelly-ite Position
    « Reply #101 on: Today at 10:55:16 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on Yesterday at 04:46:06 PM

    Father PFeiffer, one of the original and arguably founding members of the Resistance obviously considers the +Thuc orders to be valid, but then attacked +Williamson for other reasons.  Hewko then split from Pfeiffer ...
    Pfeiffer did many sermons against Thuc orders and sedes, and only flip-flopped when he couldn't find any non-Thuc to consecrate him.  
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