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Offline stevusmagnus

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US Catholicism Thriving Secularity is Good
« on: September 26, 2010, 08:23:22 PM »
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  • Found a gem on CA regarding the statistics of the decline of Catholicism in the US...

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    Unfortunately, or fortunately, as the case may be - you overstate the sources and actual claims for decline in U.S. Catholicism. A recent e-mail from a source at the North American Forum for the Catechumenate suggested an average of 800,000 people a year are entering RC through the RCIA programs nationwide.

    You also uncritically demonize the role of secularity which has both positive and negative impacts. The positives include democracy, personal freedom, religious tolerance and human rights.

    The negatives are a tendency to de-value the role of religious traditions which in some respects gave birth to secularism (dignity of the person must have roots some where and the "...where...is the Judeo-Christian tradition). And there can be a danger in de-valuing sexuality and it's power. But within church circles that devaluation may have come as a pendular swing from the other extreme when prior to Vatican II there was a sheer obsession with sexuality. Coming back to the center would be the wise tack to take.

    The thoughtful stance of Benedict who both confirms the values of secularity but argues that the Judeo-Christian tradition provides the moral values to stop the moral erosion of secularity are to be taken as wise steps in coordinating a healthy rather than antagonistic view towards secularity.

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    US Catholicism Thriving Secularity is Good
    « Reply #1 on: September 26, 2010, 10:58:51 PM »
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  • Quote from stevusmagnus, from CA:

    "You also uncritically demonize the role of secularity which has both positive and negative impacts. The positives include democracy, personal freedom, religious tolerance and human rights."

    Ye-gads! Just try to convince somebody today that "democracy," and "freedom," and "tolerance," and "human rights" are bad things. The brainwashing runs very deep, right down into the spinal cord. The reaction against anyone who questions those hallowed concepts is quite visceral. Here in the Third World the terrible crime and corruption and lack of moral values make this conversation a little easier to have than back in the USA or in Europe. People here can still remember a time when criminals used to have electrodes applied to the nether parts to get them to talk and after a couple of decades now of obeying Canadian and American and Western European "human rights activists" they are starting to see the poisonous fruits: disintegration of families, gangs, public rudeness, open militant atheism and homosexuality, and rampant lawlessness. Sometimes I think there exist here better possibilities to turn things around then in the economically richer societies.

    St. Jude, who, disregarding the threats of the impious, courageously preached the doctrine of Christ,
    pray for us.


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    US Catholicism Thriving Secularity is Good
    « Reply #2 on: September 27, 2010, 08:13:11 AM »
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  • Pius IX, Pius X, even Leo XIII, didn't speak favorably about democracy, freedom, tolerance, etc., at all.

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    « Reply #3 on: September 27, 2010, 12:14:22 PM »
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  • Stevus, CA is full of gems!    :scratchchin: :laugh1:

     

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