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Author Topic: Universal Traditional Catholic Principles, the FSSP, and Sedevacantism  (Read 4673 times)

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Offline Ladislaus

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1. The First Principle is the Sanctification and Salvation of Souls. This is why the Church Herself exists. I love the Firefighter Analogy given by His Excellency Bishop Fellay to explain what should be the principle of the traditional apostolate vis-a-vis relations to Rome:

Matthew was enumerating the principles which help defined Traditional Catholicism and set it apart.  Obviously one could go into the entire hierarchy of Catholic principles that above these, but those are all taken for granted.

As for the the other points, you're simply listing your own personal opinion about issues that are debated among Traditional Catholics.

My take, and this is coming from someone who was novus ordo until 2012, so take it how you will, is that traditionalism is the paradigm of judging all things as good and bad, based on what has been handed on to us.  Conservatism is the paradigm of looking to slow down the loss of traditional elements, while regularly ceding ground to liberalism, which is the belief that any element within God’s creation does not fall under His domain.

I object to the point that a true traditionalist would stay home rather than assist at an FSSP or an SSPX mass.  Staying home is not part of what’s been passed on to us.  The majority of our fight should be fought in prayer and penance.  Some of these parishes offer the only option for some people to learn the faith and to pass it on to their children.  I don’t think it’s a good idea to discourage people from attending valid masses, as long as their is no heresy or the like being spread there.  This is akin to telling people they can’t attend mass where Father Jorge is commemorated, if they don’t believe him to be the pope.

My thought is that we are CATHOLICS first and foremost.  The label traditionalist is useful in some cases to delineate the situation to family members, coworkers, or outsiders who don’t have any idea what is going on with the Church.  However, I don’t think that it is useful among traditional Catholics, and I think that we should just call ourselves Catholic, and that Catholic is the ONLY thing that we should aspire to be.


Also, we attended on resistance mass in 2015 and did not return because we were bombarded with gossip as soon as we arrived, and because the sermon was only about the relationship between the SSPX and the Resistance.  How can you maintain the Faith if all you preach about is Church politics?  It felt wrong to be there.  It’s hard to explain, but I got the feeling that God did not want us to come back.  I realize that all resistance chapels are different, every community and every priest are different, but this was the experience we had.  I don’t want to mischaracterize you guys.  I’m just talking about one place and one time. 

Offline Matthew

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1. I object to the point that a true traditionalist would stay home rather than assist at an FSSP or an SSPX mass.

2. My thought is that we are CATHOLICS first and foremost.

1. WHAT point? Who made that point? Maybe someone came in to the thread and said this, but I certainly didn't.

2. That goes without saying. I am all for maintaining as much unity with other Catholics ("those who have the Faith") as possible. But that doesn't render a discussion about the essence of Traditional Catholicism useless.

Offline Matthew

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Also, we attended on resistance mass in 2015 and did not return because we were bombarded with gossip as soon as we arrived, and because the sermon was only about the relationship between the SSPX and the Resistance.  How can you maintain the Faith if all you preach about is Church politics?  It felt wrong to be there.  It’s hard to explain, but I got the feeling that God did not want us to come back.  I realize that all resistance chapels are different, every community and every priest are different, but this was the experience we had.  I don’t want to mischaracterize you guys.  I’m just talking about one place and one time.
Who was the priest? 
Did his last name rhyme with "Pfeiffer"?