Author Topic: Universal acceptance of a Pope (Read 40586 times)

roscoe · « **Reply #85 on:** February 25, 2015, 08:27:10 PM »

Are you sure you want to refer to the known favorite of Pius XII as at least a material enemy.

There are many others here who dismiss a Pope Gregory but nothing will change the fact that his election was(is) legal & a name was taken.

Only a future Council with the placet of a real Pope can change it.

The fantasy that someone could have ' planted the false white smoke" has been discredited long ago. :detective:

roscoe · « **Reply #86 on:** February 25, 2015, 09:30:49 PM »

It is only typical that Wikipedia would attempt to debunk the true results of Oct 26 or even the additional evidence that Siri may have been elected in '63 & '78 as well. :reporter:

PerEvangelicaDicta · « **Reply #87 on:** February 25, 2015, 10:12:36 PM »

Not a good idea to use Wikipedia as a source.

from Wikipedia:

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Who writes Wikipedia?
You do. Yes, anyone can be bold and edit an existing article or create a new one, and volunteers do not need to have any formal training. The people who create and edit articles in Wikipedia come from countries all around the world, and have a wide range of ages and backgrounds. Any contributor to this encyclopedia, unregistered and registered alike, is called a "Wikipedian", or, more formally, an "editor".

poche · « **Reply #88 on:** February 25, 2015, 11:48:52 PM »

Matthew says "Christ founded a visible Church with a priesthood, with a hierarchy and Pope at the head."

conclavist · « **Reply #89 on:** February 26, 2015, 07:13:59 PM »

PerEvangelicaDicta: Wikipedia itself isn't a source, but it does cite actual sources, so it is a useful shorthand.

roscoe: Pius XII also made Roncalli a cardinal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_John_XXIII). He also instituted the Holy Week changes. Siri/Roncalli: wolves in sheep's clothing?

The Siri thesis seems like another recognize-and-resist position, as Siri totally accepted Vatican 2 publicly. So if one believes Vatican 2 was heretical (as is the common agreement among SSPX/sedes/conclavists on here, right?), then Siri was a heretic. Hence, this is just like how a bunch of people say "Benedict XVI" was a "friend of tradition" but "his hands were tied". I wonder what would have happened if Siri came out publicly as pope and in favor of Vatican 2.

I'm wondering if we might be able to show that Siri was a pre-election heretic and ineligible to be elected.