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  • In his Sunday Regina Coeli address Pope Francis focused on the parable of the vine and the branches, saying that it reveals the importance of uniting oneself to Jesus, who changes how we live.

    “Jesus is the life, and through him – like sap in a tree – the love of the same God, of the Holy Spirit, passes to the branches,” the Pope told attendees of his May 3 Regina Coeli address.

    “We receive a new way of being, the life of Christ becomes ours: we are able to think like him, act like him, to see the world and things with the eyes of Jesus.”

    As a result of this union, we are better able to love others, “beginning with the poorest and those who suffer, with his heart and bring into the world the fruits of goodness, charity and peace,” he said.

    Francis spoke to pilgrims gathered in St. Peter’s Square for the weekly address. Before leading the crowd the traditional Marian prayer, he drew attention to Jesus’ use of the parable of the vine and the branches in the day’s Gospel reading, taken from John Chapter 15.

    Already getting close to the moment of his Passion and death, Jesus wanted to stress to his disciples the importance staying in communion with him, the Pope said.

    Even though he wouldn’t be with them physically, Jesus would be with them in a new way that would bear a lot fruit, he continued. However, if instead the disciples lost communion with the Lord, rather than bearing fruit they would become “sterile,” and damage the community.

    In the parable Jesus gives, “the branches are not self-sufficient, but depend totally on the vine, in which the source of their life is found. This is how it is for us Christians,” the Pope said.

    Thanks to our baptism we have received new life in Christ, and thanks to the Church we are able to remain in “vital communion” with the Lord through both prayer and the sacraments, he continued.

    Francis stressed the importance of daily prayer, of listening and being docile to the Word of God, reading the Gospel and participating especially in the sacraments of the Eucharist and Confession as particularly helpful in maintaining this communion.

    By remaining “intimately united” to Jesus, a person also harvests the fruits of the Holy Spirit, he said, which St. Paul names in Galatians as love, joy, peace, magnanimity, kindness, goodness, gentleness, self-control.

    In cultivating these a person “does so much good to others and to society as a true Christian,” the Pope said, observing that a Christian is recognized “from these attitudes, as a tree is recognized by its fruits.”

    “The fruits of this profound union with Jesus are marvelous: our whole being is transformed by the grace of the Holy Spirit: soul, intelligence, will, affections and even the body, because we are united in body and spirit,” he said.

    Pope Francis continued, noting that due to the “new way of being” we receive from this union with Christ, our own perspective changes and we are able to think and act like him, especially when it comes to the poor and suffering.

    He then said that each person, each branch on the “one vine” that is Christ, are all together “called to bring the fruits of this common belonging to Christ and to the Church.”

    The Pope concluded his address by invoking the intercession of the Virgin Mary, so that each person can be a living branch in the Church that gives a coherent witness to the faith.

    http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/unity-with-christ-will-transform-your-life-pope-says-87249/


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    “All Catholic faithful” are invited “to take up, recognize the signs of the times, the way of unity for overcoming divisions among Christians,” the pontiff said during the private audience with Lutheran archbishop Uppsala Antje Jackelen.


    "Topics, such as the respect for the dignity of the human person cannot be silenced or ignored out of fear of putting the already established ecuмenical consensus into jeopardy.” -Francis




    Pope Francis received the Lutheran archbishop of Sweden in audience on May 4 and said that the Christian division contradicts the will of Christ, scandalizes the world, and harms the cause of the preaching of the Gospel.
    “Much work” remains to be done in the ecuмenical dialogue between Catholics and Lutherans, the Pope said, who said that we should accept one another as “brothers and sisters in the faith” rather than look upon one another as competitors.
    “The witness of our persecuted brothers and sisters spurs us to grow in fraternal communion,” the Pope added. “Of urgent relevance is also the question of the dignity of human life, always to be respected, as well as the themes related to the family, marriage and sɛҳuąƖity that cannot be silenced or ignored for fear of jeopardizing the ecuмenical consensus already achieved.”
    (“‘Much work’ remains in ecuмenical dialogue, Pope tells Swedish Lutheran leader
    ”, Catholic Culture, May 4, 2015; underlining added.)

    In 1928, Pope Pius XI, in his landmark encyclical against false religious unity by means of “ecuмenism”, condemned exactly what “Pope” Francis just said. Listen closely:

    Is it not right, it is often repeated, indeed, even consonant with duty, that all who invoke the name of Christ should abstain from mutual reproaches and at long last be united in mutual charity? Who would dare to say that he loved Christ, unless he worked with all his might to carry out the desires of Him, Who asked His Father that His disciples might be “one” [Jn 17:21]. And did not the same Christ will that His disciples should be marked out and distinguished from others by this characteristic, namely that they loved one another: “By this shall all men know that you are my disciples, if you have love one for another”? [Jn 13:35] All Christians, they add, should be as “one”: for then they would be much more powerful in driving out the pest of irreligion, which like a serpent daily creeps further and becomes more widely spread, and prepares to rob the Gospel of its strength.

    These things and others that class of men who are known as pan-Christians continually repeat and amplify; and these men, so far from being quite few and scattered, have increased to the dimensions of an entire class, and have grouped themselves into widely spread societies, most of which are directed by non-Catholics, although they are imbued with varying doctrines concerning the things of faith. This undertaking is so actively promoted as in many places to win for itself the adhesion of a number of citizens, and it even takes possession of the minds of very many Catholics and allures them with the hope of bringing about such a union as would be agreeable to the desires of Holy Mother Church, who has indeed nothing more at heart than to recall her erring sons and to lead them back to her bosom. But in reality beneath these enticing words and blandishments lies hid a most grave error, by which the foundations of the Catholic faith are completely destroyed.
    (Pope Pius XI, Encyclical Mortalium Animos, n. 4; underlining added.)


    [This council] firmly believes, professes, and proclaims that those not living within the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jєωs and heretics and schismatics cannot become participants in eternal life, but will depart "into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels" [Matt. 25:41], unless before the end of life the same have been added to the flock; and that the unity of the ecclesiastical body is so strong that only to those remaining in it are the sacraments of the Church of benefit for salvation, and do fastings, almsgiving, and other functions of piety and exercises of Christian service produce eternal reward, and that no one, whatever almsgiving he has practiced, even if he has shed blood for the name of Christ, can be saved, unless he has remained in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.
    (Council of Florence, Decree Cantate Domino; Denz. 714; underlining added.)



    Evangelical Protestant Brian Stiller, who is the Global Ambassador of the World Evangelical Alliance.
    Stiller visited Francis in the Vatican in June 2014 and published a blog post about his encounter, entitled “Lunch with the Pope”, on July 9. There are two salient passages in Stiller’s account worth quoting:

    We talked about Christians marginalized, pressed under the weight of government power or the majority presence of other faiths. He listened and then told a remarkable story. In his years in and out of Rome, he became friends with the pastor of a Pentecostal Church in Rome. In time he came to learn that the church and pastor felt the power and presence of the Catholic Church, with its weighty presence, obstructing their desire to grow and be a witness. “So,” he said, “this July I will preach in his church on a Sunday and offer an apology from my church for the hurt it has brought to their congregation.”

    It’s fair to ask what kind of Catholic Church we as Evangelicals want to see. At lunch I asked Pope Francis what his heart was for evangelism. He smiled, knowing what was behind my question. His comment was, “I’m not interested in converting Evangelicals to Catholicism. I want people to find Jesus in their own community. There are so many doctrines we will never agree on. Let’s not spend our time on those. Rather, let’s be about showing the love of Jesus.” (Of course Evangelicals do evangelize Catholics and Catholics do the same to us. However, that discussion we will raise another day.)
    (Brian C. Stiller, “Lunch with the Pope”, Dispatches from the Global Village, July 9, 2014; red bold print added.)

    Shalom!
    "As the head of the Church, I cannot answer you otherwise: The Jєωs have not recognized Our Lord; therefore we cannot recognize the Jєωιѕн people." -Pope St. Pius X

    "No Jєω adores God! Who say so?  The Son of God say so."


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    You forgot this:

    “All Catholic faithful” are invited “to take up, recognize the signs of the times, the way of unity for overcoming divisions among Christians,” the pontiff said during the private audience with Lutheran archbishop Uppsala Antje Jackelen.


    "Topics, such as the respect for the dignity of the human person cannot be silenced or ignored out of fear of putting the already established ecuмenical consensus into jeopardy.” -Francis




    Pope Francis received the Lutheran archbishop of Sweden in audience on May 4 and said that the Christian division contradicts the will of Christ, scandalizes the world, and harms the cause of the preaching of the Gospel.
    “Much work” remains to be done in the ecuмenical dialogue between Catholics and Lutherans, the Pope said, who said that we should accept one another as “brothers and sisters in the faith” rather than look upon one another as competitors.
    “The witness of our persecuted brothers and sisters spurs us to grow in fraternal communion,” the Pope added. “Of urgent relevance is also the question of the dignity of human life, always to be respected, as well as the themes related to the family, marriage and sɛҳuąƖity that cannot be silenced or ignored for fear of jeopardizing the ecuмenical consensus already achieved.”
    (“‘Much work’ remains in ecuмenical dialogue, Pope tells Swedish Lutheran leader
    ”, Catholic Culture, May 4, 2015; underlining added.)

    In 1928, Pope Pius XI, in his landmark encyclical against false religious unity by means of “ecuмenism”, condemned exactly what “Pope” Francis just said. Listen closely:

    Is it not right, it is often repeated, indeed, even consonant with duty, that all who invoke the name of Christ should abstain from mutual reproaches and at long last be united in mutual charity? Who would dare to say that he loved Christ, unless he worked with all his might to carry out the desires of Him, Who asked His Father that His disciples might be “one” [Jn 17:21]. And did not the same Christ will that His disciples should be marked out and distinguished from others by this characteristic, namely that they loved one another: “By this shall all men know that you are my disciples, if you have love one for another”? [Jn 13:35] All Christians, they add, should be as “one”: for then they would be much more powerful in driving out the pest of irreligion, which like a serpent daily creeps further and becomes more widely spread, and prepares to rob the Gospel of its strength.

    These things and others that class of men who are known as pan-Christians continually repeat and amplify; and these men, so far from being quite few and scattered, have increased to the dimensions of an entire class, and have grouped themselves into widely spread societies, most of which are directed by non-Catholics, although they are imbued with varying doctrines concerning the things of faith. This undertaking is so actively promoted as in many places to win for itself the adhesion of a number of citizens, and it even takes possession of the minds of very many Catholics and allures them with the hope of bringing about such a union as would be agreeable to the desires of Holy Mother Church, who has indeed nothing more at heart than to recall her erring sons and to lead them back to her bosom. But in reality beneath these enticing words and blandishments lies hid a most grave error, by which the foundations of the Catholic faith are completely destroyed.
    (Pope Pius XI, Encyclical Mortalium Animos, n. 4; underlining added.)


    [This council] firmly believes, professes, and proclaims that those not living within the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jєωs and heretics and schismatics cannot become participants in eternal life, but will depart "into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels" [Matt. 25:41], unless before the end of life the same have been added to the flock; and that the unity of the ecclesiastical body is so strong that only to those remaining in it are the sacraments of the Church of benefit for salvation, and do fastings, almsgiving, and other functions of piety and exercises of Christian service produce eternal reward, and that no one, whatever almsgiving he has practiced, even if he has shed blood for the name of Christ, can be saved, unless he has remained in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.
    (Council of Florence, Decree Cantate Domino; Denz. 714; underlining added.)



    Evangelical Protestant Brian Stiller, who is the Global Ambassador of the World Evangelical Alliance.
    Stiller visited Francis in the Vatican in June 2014 and published a blog post about his encounter, entitled “Lunch with the Pope”, on July 9. There are two salient passages in Stiller’s account worth quoting:

    We talked about Christians marginalized, pressed under the weight of government power or the majority presence of other faiths. He listened and then told a remarkable story. In his years in and out of Rome, he became friends with the pastor of a Pentecostal Church in Rome. In time he came to learn that the church and pastor felt the power and presence of the Catholic Church, with its weighty presence, obstructing their desire to grow and be a witness. “So,” he said, “this July I will preach in his church on a Sunday and offer an apology from my church for the hurt it has brought to their congregation.”

    It’s fair to ask what kind of Catholic Church we as Evangelicals want to see. At lunch I asked Pope Francis what his heart was for evangelism. He smiled, knowing what was behind my question. His comment was, “I’m not interested in converting Evangelicals to Catholicism. I want people to find Jesus in their own community. There are so many doctrines we will never agree on. Let’s not spend our time on those. Rather, let’s be about showing the love of Jesus.” (Of course Evangelicals do evangelize Catholics and Catholics do the same to us. However, that discussion we will raise another day.)
    (Brian C. Stiller, “Lunch with the Pope”, Dispatches from the Global Village, July 9, 2014; red bold print added.)

    Shalom!

    While the original intent of this post was not to talk about the visit to the Pope by the leader of the Lutheran church. How do you propose that we evangelize these followers ot the false religion? How did Junipero Serra evangelize the indians of California? Did he stand off in a distance and shout questions and answers from the catechism in order to get them to convert? Or rather did he go directly to them and engage them, talk to them in their own language so that they could see the truth of the Catholic Faith.    

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  • However, if instead the disciples lost communion with the Lord, rather than bearing fruit they would become “sterile,” and damage the community.

    It looks like Pope Francis is saying that outside of the Church there is no salvation.
     :idea: :idea: :idea:

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    While the original intent of this post was not to talk about the visit to the Pope by the leader of the Lutheran church. How do you propose that we evangelize these followers ot the false religion?  


    Not by inviting their pro-sodomite,  high "priestess" to the Vatican and saying:

    "Christian division contradicts the will of Christ, scandalizes the world, and harms the cause of the preaching of the Gospel" or that "we should accept one another as “brothers and sisters in the faith" "to take up, recognize the signs of the times, the way of unity for overcoming divisions among Christians"

    Don't let irrelevant little matters like Dogma get in the way of unity.



    Remember Poche: God is not interested in numbers. He is interested in faithfulness.




    "Even if Catholics faithful to Tradition are reduced to a handful, they are the ones who are the true Church of Jesus Christ."- St. Athanasius.
    "As the head of the Church, I cannot answer you otherwise: The Jєωs have not recognized Our Lord; therefore we cannot recognize the Jєωιѕн people." -Pope St. Pius X

    "No Jєω adores God! Who say so?  The Son of God say so."


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    However, if instead the disciples lost communion with the Lord, rather than bearing fruit they would become “sterile,” and damage the community.

    It looks like Pope Francis is saying that outside of the Church there is no salvation.
     :idea: :idea: :idea:


    These are the type of things which are said between various heretics, when they get together for an ecuмenical shindig.

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    While the original intent of this post was not to talk about the visit to the Pope by the leader of the Lutheran church. How do you propose that we evangelize these followers ot the false religion?  


    Not by inviting their pro-sodomite,  high "priestess" to the Vatican and saying:

    "Christian division contradicts the will of Christ, scandalizes the world, and harms the cause of the preaching of the Gospel" or that "we should accept one another as “brothers and sisters in the faith" "to take up, recognize the signs of the times, the way of unity for overcoming divisions among Christians"

    Don't let irrelevant little matters like Dogma get in the way of unity.



    Remember Poche: God is not interested in numbers. He is interested in faithfulness.




    "Even if Catholics faithful to Tradition are reduced to a handful, they are the ones who are the true Church of Jesus Christ."- St. Athanasius.

    HOw do you propose that we evangelize the unbeliever? How did St Junipero Serra evangelize the indians of California? Did he stand off on the top of a mountain shouting questioins and answers to the catechism? Or did he engage them in an ambiance of friendship and hospitality? You do realize of course that if she were to wake up and become Catholic then she would really be your sister.

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    However, if instead the disciples lost communion with the Lord, rather than bearing fruit they would become “sterile,” and damage the community.

    It looks like Pope Francis is saying that outside of the Church there is no salvation.
     :idea: :idea: :idea:


    These are the type of things which are said between various heretics, when they get together for an ecuмenical shindig.

    Losing communion with the Lord and not bearing fruit and becoming sterile is what hamppens when you find yourself outside of tne Catholic Church.


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    While the original intent of this post was not to talk about the visit to the Pope by the leader of the Lutheran church. How do you propose that we evangelize these followers ot the false religion?  


    Not by inviting their pro-sodomite,  high "priestess" to the Vatican and saying:

    "Christian division contradicts the will of Christ, scandalizes the world, and harms the cause of the preaching of the Gospel" or that "we should accept one another as “brothers and sisters in the faith" "to take up, recognize the signs of the times, the way of unity for overcoming divisions among Christians"

    Don't let irrelevant little matters like Dogma get in the way of unity.



    Remember Poche: God is not interested in numbers. He is interested in faithfulness.




    "Even if Catholics faithful to Tradition are reduced to a handful, they are the ones who are the true Church of Jesus Christ."- St. Athanasius.

    HOw do you propose that we evangelize the unbeliever? How did St Junipero Serra evangelize the indians of California? Did he stand off on the top of a mountain shouting questioins and answers to the catechism? Or did he engage them in an ambiance of friendship and hospitality? You do realize of course that if she were to wake up and become Catholic then she would really be your sister.


    Poche, Francis does not want to convert them. This is a fact.

    June 11, 2014
    Francis said:
    "Christians would be able to better proclaim the Gospel if they could overcome their differences so that, together, they might spread the Word of God and witness to Christian charity."
    "The efficacy of the Christian announcement would certainly be greater if Christians would overcome their divisions and could celebrate together the Sacraments and together spread the Word of God and witness to charity."
    " I hope that such consultations can ultimately inspire our common witness and our efforts as evangelizers: “If we really believe in the abundantly free working of the Holy Spirit, we can learn so much from one another! It is not just about being better informed about others, but rather about reaping what the Spirit has sown in them, which is also meant to be a gift for us”
    "Dear brothers and sisters, I am confident that the Holy Spirit, who inspires in the Church, with his mighty breath, the courage to persevere and event to seek new means of evangelization, can inaugurate a new stage in the relations between Catholics and Evangelicals—a stage that allows us to realize more fully the will of the Lord to bring the Gospel even to the furthest ends of the earth"
    http://en.radiovaticana.va/news/2014/11/06/pope_francis_on_relations_between_catholics_and_evangelicals/1110330

    July 19, 2014
    Francis said:
     “I’m not interested in converting Evangelicals to Catholicism. I want people to find Jesus in their own community. There are so many doctrines we will never agree on. Let’s not spend our time on those. Rather, let’s be about showing the love of Jesus.”

    http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/interelg/docuмents/rc_pc_interelg_doc_20111110_testimonianza-cristiana_en.html


    Francis wants to "spread the gospel TOGETHER" with the false religions.
    Francis wants to "overcome" little "differences" like dogma, the office of the Papacy, The Magisterium and the Sacraments in the name of "unity".
    No mention of conversion, no mention of following The One True church teaching.

    Are you blind Poche? Or are you deliberately obfuscating what's in front of you.

    Here again, he does not mention the notions of repentance or conversion.
    (Well, except to say that he does not want to convert the evangelicals. Affirming "there are many doctrines we will never agree on"). Seems to imply that there are some protestant "doctrines" he would agree with... Lord have mercy.


    Newsflash: The Catholic Church will never agree on false doctrines or new doctrines. The Catholic Church needs no innovations. Not even of words.
    Infallibly, the popes may define dogmas based on Sententia certa. And also condemn errors.
    But "spread the gospel" "TOGETHER" with false religions, never.

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    Pope Pius XI

    Knowing perfectly that there exist few men who are entirely devoid of the religious sense, they [the men who are trying to introduce a sentiment of universal fraternity into the Church] nourish the hope that all the peoples, despite their religious differences, may yet, without great difficulty, be united in the profession of certain doctrines admitted as a common basis of the spiritual life.

    With this object, they promote congresses, meetings, and conferences, attended by a considerable number of hearers. To join in the discussion they invite all, without distinction, unbelievers of every kind as well as the faithful, and even those who have disgracefully separated themselves from Christ or rudely and obstinately denied the divinity of His nature and mission. Such efforts can meet with no kind of approval among Catholics, because they support the erroneous opinion that all the religions are more or less good and praiseworthy. ...

    Those who hold such a view fall into an open error; they also reject the true Religion; they distort its tenets and fall gradually into Naturalism and Atheism. Therefore, it is perfectly evident that one who joins with the partisans and propagators of similar doctrine abandons entirely the divinely revealed Religion.”

    (Pius XI, Encyclical Mortalium animos, of January 6, 1928
    Paris: Bonne Presse, 1928, vol. 4, pp. 64-5)

     
    "As the head of the Church, I cannot answer you otherwise: The Jєωs have not recognized Our Lord; therefore we cannot recognize the Jєωιѕн people." -Pope St. Pius X

    "No Jєω adores God! Who say so?  The Son of God say so."

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  • Christians would be able to better proclaim the Gospel if they could overcome their differences so that, together, they might spread the Word of God and witness to Christian charity."

    Overcomeing differences with the Protestants means that they return to the Catholic Church. Remember, the Catholic Church is the true home of all Christians.    

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    Christians would be able to better proclaim the Gospel if they could overcome their differences so that, together, they might spread the Word of God and witness to Christian charity."

    Overcomeing differences with the Protestants means that they return to the Catholic Church. Remember, the Catholic Church is the true home of all Christians.    


    You know that is not the meaning of "together" in that context.

    If he were to have said:

    Christians would be able to better proclaim the Gospel if they could overcome their differences so that, once converted to The One True Faith, they may spread the Word of God and witness to Christian charity."

    That would be clear and true.


    Not, "together".



    I’m not interested in converting Evangelicals to Catholicism. I want people to find Jesus in their own community. There are so many doctrines we will never agree on. Let’s not spend our time on those. Rather, let’s be about showing the love of Jesus.” -Francis
    "As the head of the Church, I cannot answer you otherwise: The Jєωs have not recognized Our Lord; therefore we cannot recognize the Jєωιѕн people." -Pope St. Pius X

    "No Jєω adores God! Who say so?  The Son of God say so."


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  • He (Francis) pointed especially to the work of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity and the Theological Commission of the World Evangelical Alliance. The Holy Father also expressed his hope that a joint docuмent, “Christian Witness in a Multi-Religious World: Recommendations for Conduct” might “become a motive of inspiration for the proclamation of the Gospel in multi-religious contexts.

    Do you understand?
    No, he does not say CONVERT TO CATHOLICISM.

    A World Evangelical ALLIANCE.  Proclamation of the Gospel in MULTI-RELIGIOUS CONTEXTS.


    Do you understand, Poche?
    "As the head of the Church, I cannot answer you otherwise: The Jєωs have not recognized Our Lord; therefore we cannot recognize the Jєωιѕн people." -Pope St. Pius X

    "No Jєω adores God! Who say so?  The Son of God say so."

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    Christians would be able to better proclaim the Gospel if they could overcome their differences so that, together, they might spread the Word of God and witness to Christian charity."

    Overcomeing differences with the Protestants means that they return to the Catholic Church. Remember, the Catholic Church is the true home of all Christians.    


    You know that is not the meaning of "together" in that context.

    If he were to have said:

    Christians would be able to better proclaim the Gospel if they could overcome their differences so that, once converted to The One True Faith, they may spread the Word of God and witness to Christian charity."

    That would be clear and true.


    Not, "together".



    I’m not interested in converting Evangelicals to Catholicism. I want people to find Jesus in their own community. There are so many doctrines we will never agree on. Let’s not spend our time on those. Rather, let’s be about showing the love of Jesus.” -Francis


    I don't see a difference.

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    « Reply #13 on: May 09, 2015, 03:08:40 AM »
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    He (Francis) pointed especially to the work of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity and the Theological Commission of the World Evangelical Alliance. The Holy Father also expressed his hope that a joint docuмent, “Christian Witness in a Multi-Religious World: Recommendations for Conduct” might “become a motive of inspiration for the proclamation of the Gospel in multi-religious contexts.

    Do you understand?
    No, he does not say CONVERT TO CATHOLICISM.

    A World Evangelical ALLIANCE.  Proclamation of the Gospel in MULTI-RELIGIOUS CONTEXTS.


    Do you understand, Poche?

    The only way that unity will be achieved will be when they convert to the one true faith.  

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    « Reply #14 on: May 09, 2015, 06:45:12 AM »
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    Christians would be able to better proclaim the Gospel if they could overcome their differences so that, together, they might spread the Word of God and witness to Christian charity."

    Overcomeing differences with the Protestants means that they return to the Catholic Church. Remember, the Catholic Church is the true home of all Christians.    


    You know that is not the meaning of "together" in that context.

    If he were to have said:

    Christians would be able to better proclaim the Gospel if they could overcome their differences so that, once converted to The One True Faith, they may spread the Word of God and witness to Christian charity."

    That would be clear and true.

    Not, "together".

    I’m not interested in converting Evangelicals to Catholicism. I want people to find Jesus in their own community. There are so many doctrines we will never agree on. Let’s not spend our time on those. Rather, let’s be about showing the love of Jesus.” -Francis


    I don't see a difference.


    'Nuff said.

    This is what happens when the blind follow blind guides.