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Re: Unity of The Church- Satis Cognitum- Pope Leo XIII
« Reply #15 on: September 21, 2017, 01:28:43 PM »
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    • Quote from: Carissima on September 21, 2017, 01:23:59 PM
    50 years makes no sense to me either. That is why I asked about length of time period, but so far, and according to even seven, there was a time in history recording four years of an interregnum? Hmm
    Who was pope during the GWS?
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    Re: Unity of The Church- Satis Cognitum- Pope Leo XIII
    « Reply #16 on: September 21, 2017, 01:37:39 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on September 21, 2017, 12:40:22 PM

     'I can understand your husband giving up, since it's all so confusing, and staying with the Church through tradition usually means taking a side, or picking a spot among trads groups who make the most sense to us. It's unpleasant when trads begin to anathematize each other over issues like this, though. Or any issue, really.'
    This stands out for me. 
    I love the Catholic Church and The Faith with my whole heart, it pains me to see so much division amongst members of Her, I am still looking for Her Unity. I don't want to have to choose a trad group to belong to, I only want The One True and Undefiled. 
    I might've become a Sede, but if only they could agree for once..maybe resistance, but then they split too. I still consider myself resistance because I don't agree with Fellays deal, but then again it's all just politics. 

    I am a wounded, wandering soul looking for home. 
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    Re: Unity of The Church- Satis Cognitum- Pope Leo XIII
    « Reply #17 on: September 21, 2017, 01:46:58 PM »
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    • Quote from: An even Seven on September 21, 2017, 01:40:44 PM
    Please visit mostholyfamilymonastery.com for further guidance.
    Yes I am familiar with Dimond bros and their anathemas of everyone but them. They are another reason for the many problems I am addressing here. 
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    Re: Unity of The Church- Satis Cognitum- Pope Leo XIII
    « Reply #18 on: September 21, 2017, 01:47:09 PM »
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    • Quote from: Carissima on September 21, 2017, 01:23:59 PM
    50 years makes no sense to me either. That is why I asked about length of time period, but so far, and according to even seven, there was a time in history recording four years of an interregnum? Hmm
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    Who was pope during the GWS?
    The four years he's talking about is probably during the Great Western Schism - which is a period of time that is incomparable to this crisis - back then, there were 2 or 3, possibly more who made claim to the Office, these days, everyone recognizes only one - so the only confusion comes about for the sedevacantists who go out of their way for no reason at all to create a problem for  themselves.
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    Re: Unity of The Church- Satis Cognitum- Pope Leo XIII
    « Reply #19 on: September 21, 2017, 01:50:03 PM »
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    • Quote from: Carissima on September 21, 2017, 01:37:39 PM
    This stands out for me.
    I love the Catholic Church and The Faith with my whole heart, it pains me to see so much division amongst members of Her, I am still looking for Her Unity. I don't want to have to choose a trad group to belong to, I only want The One True and Undefiled.
    I might've become a Sede, but if only they could agree for once..maybe resistance, but then they split too. I still consider myself resistance because I don't agree with Fellays deal, but then again it's all just politics.

    I am a wounded, wandering soul looking for home.
    "Noel Coward" aside ma'am, can you think of anything that these "divisions" ("disunity"?)  or "splits" (schisms?)  would be, and perhaps have been, symptomatic of?
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    Re: Unity of The Church- Satis Cognitum- Pope Leo XIII
    « Reply #20 on: September 21, 2017, 01:51:59 PM »
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    • Quote from: Carissima on September 21, 2017, 01:46:58 PM
    Yes I am familiar with Dimond bros and their anathemas of everyone but them. They are another reason for the many problems I am addressing here.
     Let's chalk this "exaggeration" up to the feminine, at least one last time.
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    Re: Unity of The Church- Satis Cognitum- Pope Leo XIII
    « Reply #21 on: September 21, 2017, 01:52:09 PM »
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    • Quote from: Carissima on September 21, 2017, 01:46:58 PM
    Yes I am familiar with Dimond bros and their anathemas of everyone but them. They are another reason for the many problems I am addressing here.
    Good move to avoid them completely.
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    Re: Unity of The Church- Satis Cognitum- Pope Leo XIII
    « Reply #22 on: September 21, 2017, 01:54:33 PM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on September 21, 2017, 01:47:09 PM
    The four years he's talking about is probably during the Great Western Schism - which is a period of time that is incomparable to this crisis - back then, there were 2 or 3, possibly more who made claim to the Office, these days, everyone recognizes only one - so the only confusion comes about for the sedevacantists who go out of their way for no reason at all to create a problem for  themselves.
    ... and perhaps this as well.
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    Re: Unity of The Church- Satis Cognitum- Pope Leo XIII
    « Reply #23 on: September 21, 2017, 01:58:02 PM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on September 21, 2017, 01:47:09 PM
    The four years he's talking about is probably during the Great Western Schism - which is a period of time that is incomparable to this crisis - back then, there were 2 or 3, possibly more who made claim to the Office, these days, everyone recognizes only one - so the only confusion comes about for the sedevacantists who go out of their way for no reason at all to create a problem for  themselves.
    Yes except those who believe Ben is pope. Thought provoking analysis' I've read on it. But who am I to say who the pope is or isn't? ESPECIALLY when everyone else is saying they are right and everyone else is wrong. The disunity itself unhinges ALL
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    Re: Unity of The Church- Satis Cognitum- Pope Leo XIII
    « Reply #24 on: September 21, 2017, 02:00:39 PM »
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    • Quote from: Carissima on September 21, 2017, 01:58:02 PM
    Yes except those who believe Ben is pope. Thought provoking analysis' I've read on it. But who am I to say who the pope is or isn't? ESPECIALLY when everyone else is saying they are right and everyone else is wrong. The disunity itself unhinges ALL
    Aren't you saying "... who the pope is or isn't...." now?
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    Re: Unity of The Church- Satis Cognitum- Pope Leo XIII
    « Reply #25 on: September 21, 2017, 02:01:03 PM »
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    • Quote from: DZ PLEASE on September 21, 2017, 01:51:59 PM
    Let's chalk this "exaggeration" up to the feminine, at least one last time.
    Oh yes because you won't find anyone but 'womin' who agree with me on that    :furtive:
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    Re: Unity of The Church- Satis Cognitum- Pope Leo XIII
    « Reply #26 on: September 21, 2017, 02:02:27 PM »
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    • Quote from: DZ PLEASE on September 21, 2017, 02:00:39 PM
    Aren't you saying "... who the pope is or isn't...." now?
    No, the hierarchy is telling us who is pope
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    Re: Unity of The Church- Satis Cognitum- Pope Leo XIII
    « Reply #27 on: September 21, 2017, 02:06:37 PM »
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    • Quote from: Carissima on September 20, 2017, 11:30:35 PM
    And because these here all lay claim to Her, Sedevacantists, Fr Pfeiffer and Co., FSSP and NO all believe that they alone

    "You ALWAYS... You NEVER..." 
    Again, the feminine. "... they alone..."
    Is that really true?

    are the Church Unified.

    Many Catholics quote private revelation like Fatima, La Salette, Quito and others about the crisis to come, the apostasy, and how The Church will go into hiding.

    How can The Catholic Church go into hiding if She is to always be visible?

    Respective cites pls.

    Is She visible to me by the guy sitting at home reading his Sunday Missal? The one whom I'll never meet?
    (forgive me I mean nothing ill to anyone in this position, I have been there personally)

    I am Traditional Catholic 100%, reject all heresies, and especially hate modernism, and yet, would be accused by the above persons (at least some) of being outside the Church because I believe She may still be visible.

    What Catholic would accuse you of being outside the Church for believing what we're supposed to again? Seriously, show us. Which ones?

    Somehow She must be.

    Right.
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    Re: Unity of The Church- Satis Cognitum- Pope Leo XIII
    « Reply #28 on: September 21, 2017, 02:08:14 PM »
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    • Quote from: Carissima on September 21, 2017, 02:01:03 PM
    Oh yes because you won't find anyone but 'womin' who agree with me on that    :furtive:
    Sure. like Stubborn...

    Oh.. " :furtive:"

    Later, oh mean muggin' madame.
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    Re: Unity of The Church- Satis Cognitum- Pope Leo XIII
    « Reply #29 on: September 21, 2017, 02:09:07 PM »
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    • Quote from: Carissima on September 21, 2017, 02:02:27 PM
    No, the hierarchy is telling us who is pope
    Aren't you...?
    ...nvm.
    Take care.
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