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Re: Unite the Clans analogy doesnt work for Crisis in the Church
« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2022, 05:10:57 PM »
I think he is playing fast and loose with a colloquial term here instead of making an ecclesiology statement, for the record :)
Oh yes, that wasn't a dig at Matthew, just at the morons who came up with the slogan among trad media. :clown:

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Re: Unite the Clans analogy doesnt work for Crisis in the Church
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2022, 09:44:18 PM »
I don't follow Taylor Marshall that closely. Did he make up that term, or try to start such a movement ("Unite the clans"), or was he just promoting it from others?

You will note I didn't mention ONCE Taylor Marshall OR Vigano in my original post.

I was criticizing the concept, not any person(s).

Because it's a perennial idea that just won't die within Traddieland, the whole "Why don't we all just get along?" Trad-cuмenism, as it were.
This idea seems particularly popular among those NEWEST to Tradition; they act like they're above it all, like they've thought of something no one has thought of yet. They don't understand some of the fundamentals of the movement, obviously (such as: why would any bishops just capitulate to follow a fellow-bishop, who might be less qualified, educated, and/or intelligent than himself!)

While there IS One True Church (founded by, and supported by Christ Himself, outside of which no one can be saved), you can't say the same thing about the groups in Tradition.
No one can claim to have God on his side personally. They all claim to be doing God's own work, even while they fight each other *fiercely* -- some of them even resorting to committing grave (mortal) sins in the quest to out-compete and grow at the expense of their "rivals". They fight each other over money, parishioners, power, real estate, etc.

I'm not criticizing ALL in Tradition; remember that a man walking down the street could be punched in the face by anyone. Even the holiest of saints. It DOES NOT take two to tango. It depends on what you mean by "tango". If by "tango" you mean "be involved in a fight/controversy" then that could be said about Our Lord Himself, Who was the greatest of saints -- the very model of sanctity (obviously). Remember: even a complete victim is "involved" in an attack or fight. But if by "tango" you mean descend into the gutter and fight dirty, with neither side able to claim the moral high ground, then NO, MOST DEFINITELY this does not apply to all priests, bishops, and groups.

Some priests, bishops and groups fall into a cult mentality: the cult of a personality/group, and putting that group before all, even the good of souls. Telling souls to stay home rather than support my "competitors" for example. That is a good sign you're dealing with a de-facto cult.


Re: Unite the Clans analogy doesnt work for Crisis in the Church
« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2022, 10:01:25 PM »
I originally heard the term from Michael Matt at the Remnant and immediately thought of this:


Re: Unite the Clans analogy doesnt work for Crisis in the Church
« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2022, 10:04:28 PM »
I don't follow Taylor Marshall that closely. Did he make up that term, or try to start such a movement ("Unite the clans"), or was he just promoting it from others?

I think it was actually Michael Matt of The Remnant newspaper, but Marshall promoted it on a podcast with him. 

Here's the video I'm referencing, which I remember watching when I was still discovering Tradition: 




But concerning your OP, your analogy is spot-on. I didn't think of it that way before, but it makes sense. I recall that Bishop Williamson once wrote that Catholics by unfortunate necessity are divided in opinion during this Crisis, as Catholics are meant to be united by a solid, faithful pope. If Catholics could unite with ease around a mere bishop as if he were the pope, we wouldn't be Catholic, we'd be something more like the Eastern Orthodox. Once we get a pope who takes his job seriously, so to speak, things will start to clear up quick. 

Re: Unite the Clans analogy doesnt work for Crisis in the Church
« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2022, 10:15:05 PM »
... Catholics are meant to be united by a solid, faithful pope. If Catholics could unite with ease around a mere bishop as if he were the pope, we wouldn't be Catholic, we'd be something more like the Eastern Orthodox. Once we get a pope who takes his job seriously, so to speak, things will start to clear up quick.
Concur 100%.

A failing of the Right is to take up with anyone who starts making great soundbites. I haven't seen this change during my short life, but perhaps someone older could correct me. We imagine there was some great conspiracy at the Second Vatican Council, but act as if they stopped then and there, and it's not possible for our favorite talking head to be compromised as well. I'm sure we all know about the generations-old conspiracy, and it should be easy enough to verify with the Great Reset, etc., that it has never stopped.

The logical conclusion of what you point out here, Matthew, is that no one in politics should be above suspicion. Especially if they have a mainstream presence, because it's already been admitted by the media that they would never cover anyone effective against the Narrative.