Author Topic: Understanding where sedevacantists go to mass (Read 1460 times)

Mabel · « **on:** May 25, 2014, 10:39:23 PM »

No agenda here. I thought it would be appropriate to explain how I determine where to go to mass. If any other sedevacantists want to list their factors and conditions, please do. This is the basic order in which conditions must be met.

1. Priest ordained in "old"rite by bishop consecrated in "old" rite. Traditional priests must have clear lines.
2. No funny business, no cult like behavior, nothing scandalous in sermons to myself or my children. This includes playing with rubrics or willfully breaking them.
3. Time of mass and distance.
4. Logistics of keeping an infant and toddler happy. Walking out with multiple children, across a busy street to a car in winter because there is no place else to go when a child acts up, is not an option.

Once I can meet these considerations, I know where I'm going to mass, no matter where in the country I might find myself. That might be SSPX, CMRI, Independents, Easten Rite and if additional conditions were met, an old priest under the "diocese" or tucked away in my religious order. I haven't found a condition where there was a tie, so to speak.

Emitte Lucem Tuam · « **Reply #1 on:** May 26, 2014, 07:17:04 AM »

I started attending a chapel in Massachusetts where the clergy were sedevacantists. It was independent of any group but was blessed by Bishop McKenna in CT. I attended my first Sunday Mass but didn't go to the coffee hour afterward. The Mass was beautiful and I was very impressed.

On my second Sunday Mass, I attended the coffee hour and introduced myself to the other chapel goers. They were very nice and I learned about the history of the chapel who attended, etc.

On my third Sunday Mass, I introduced myself to the resident priest. We sat down at a table and he answered all my questions about the chapel, his priestly history, ordination, ordaining bishop, etc. (during the first month I attended, I didn't receive the Sacraments out of caution).

I took the information about the chapel and the resident priest and researched what I could. The priest seemed legit and the chapel's history seemed legit. I prayed about receiving the Sacraments there and made the decision to attend regularly.

That's how I found The Church. Go slow and research as much as you can - and pray about it.

Mabel · « **Reply #2 on:** May 26, 2014, 07:32:25 AM »

Quote from: linr05

Regarding history of ordination: Where can I look to confirm ordination of an individual priest? What personal information do I need to confirm that I have the right individual (not someone else with the same name)?

Ask questions. Old priests, if they have the same name, usually have differrent middle initial or you can use the diocese in which they live or were ordained look them up.

Mithrandylan · « **Reply #3 on:** May 26, 2014, 10:43:28 AM »

Quote from: linr05

Regarding history of ordination: Where can I look to confirm ordination of an individual priest? What personal information do I need to confirm that I have the right individual (not someone else with the same name)?

In some cases, a google search can answer the question.

Less so in cases of older diocesan priests, but the various traditional groups publicize their ordinations, so there's a good chance that if the priest was ordained within the last ten years or so, there will be an internet article about it.

Mithrandylan · « **Reply #4 on:** May 26, 2014, 12:58:34 PM »

Neither common sense NOR Canon Law says that.

Emerentiana · « **Reply #5 on:** May 26, 2014, 01:06:09 PM »

Mabel,
the philosophy of the CMRI is that a person should attend a valid mass said by a validly ordained priest. All of your conditions are great to have, but not essential to attending a true mass. There is no"perfect" place today to attend mass.

If you don't have the traditional Catholic directory, please PM me and I will send it to you.

Mithrandylan · « **Reply #6 on:** May 26, 2014, 02:49:09 PM »

Linr appears to be David Hobson, or a follower thereof.

You have a bunch of quotes you are playing connect the dots with.

Proper intention is presumed (valid) when proper matter and form are present. You are saying that proper intention is presumed INVALID, even when proper matter and form are present, because the minister is unworthy. This is a re-packaging of Donatism.

You are a sower of doubt.

Mabel · « **Reply #7 on:** May 26, 2014, 07:56:16 PM »

Quote from: Emerentiana

Mabel,
the philosophy of the CMRI is that a person should attend a valid mass said by a validly ordained priest. All of your conditions are great to have, but not essential to attending a true mass. There is no"perfect" place today to attend mass.

If you don't have the traditional Catholic directory, please PM me and I will send it to you.

I don't need a Catholic directory, I'm quite aware of my options no matter where I am, but thanks. Parents and people who live away from mass have special considerations, my entire point was that I don't go to mass to a sedevacantist chapel just for the sake of going to a sedevacantist chapel, like some people might think of sedevacantists.