Quote from: Lover of Truth

The fact that one can enter the Church by desire is doctrine.  Which individuals?  How? Why? When? Is speculation.  

But one who has the love of Charity is within the Church and has sanctifying grace.  Some non-members have perfect Charity and have sanctifying grace which can only be obtained within the Church.  

Remember the Church only teaches that such is possible but warns us against speculating when it comes to individuals.  Only God knows who is good willed and who has cooperated with His grace to the point of obtaining a supernatural faith and perfect charity before becoming a member of the Church?  

If you avoid speculating about the who, what, where, when, why and how, but humbly submit to the "it's possible" teaching of the Church the difficulty should disappear.

Know that it is possible for  the supernatural virtue of charity to be obtained by non-members before they enter the Church in reality and if they have perfect charity and supernatural faith they have sanctifying grace which is only obtainable within the Church.  

Heaven and Hell do not ultimately in every circuмstance come down to water on the head but ultimately whether one dies in a state of sanctifying grace or not.  And, the Church teaches infallibly that one, who has not been baptized sacramentally, through no fault of his own, can die in the state of sanctifying grace.      

Is that understandable?  

Yes. I did mean that all the scenarios they bring up are speculation, not bod/bob.