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Author Topic: Transalpine Redemptorists declare 'sede vacante'  (Read 1940 times)

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Online Ladislaus

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Re: Transalpine Redemptorists declare 'sede vacante'
« Reply #25 on: May 03, 2026, 05:16:18 PM »
Universal Acceptance of an election would logically require Universal Consensus that the Holy See is in fact vacant.

Even if you had UA that the "Pope" was a heretic, you would THEN have to have Universal Acceptance of the Bellarmine opinion, and not those of Cajetan / John of St. Thomas, etc.

Good luck with all of that.  Really.

I'd say that they need to stop ... now ... except they really should have stopped 5 minutes after +Roy threw that out there.  Grizzled Old SV veterans should have taken the SV neophyte out back and administered the necessary correction.  But, to my astonishment ... many are going along with this.

Of course, what's funny is that many of them are allegedly going along with it "anonymously", meaning that they're not fully convinced themselves, and if they go ahead and hold this Council and they roll out a Michael III-ish type of "pope" or Pius XIII/XIV or Linus II/III , a lot of them would pretend they never endorsed it or had anything to do with it.

Politicians do that all the time.  They refused to vote for or against the attack on Iran.  And the reason is that they're hedging their bets.  If it had gone splendidly, then they'd all have come out of the woodwork claiming they had been in full support of it.  If things turned South (as they have), then they can claim they were opposed to it and wash their hands of it.  Same thing appears to be going on here.

Heck ... I think Bugnolo might have a better claim to a legitimate election ... if we could ever find out the details.

Re: Transalpine Redemptorists declare 'sede vacante'
« Reply #26 on: May 03, 2026, 05:30:04 PM »
I don't agree with +Sanborn that ordinary jurisdiction would be required, given a state of emergency.  That opinion is based on an article written by Father Ricossa back in 1993, and it makes a couple of mistakes in reaching that conclusion:  1) cites Canon Law ... that deal with an EcuмENICAL Council (which this wouldn't be) and 2) doesn't prove that said law is of divine law, either directly or derived from it somehow.

So, the issue is HOW could such a Council have authority to effectively bind the consciences of Catholics to accept their election.  Sure, one way would be if pretty much all the bishops with jurisdiction would hold it.  But the other way would be from the bottom up where Catholics universally accept the Council's election as representing the Church.

Given lack of jurisdiction, Universal Acceptance would be the only way ... and, unless you believe that "the Church" = a handful of Totalist SV +Thuc-line bishops ... to the exclusion of CT, to the exclusion of all "Doubt & Resist", to the exclusion of all Eastern Rite Catholics (millions), to the exclusion of all Conciliar Catholic whom may be in material error only (also millions) ... even moderate SVs would not exclude all these from the Church, so the Totalists wouldn't even get all other Totalists "on board".  Despite my sympathy with CT, in practice I don't believe the Conciliar hierarchy have even material jurisdiction, so in that sense I'm a Totalist ... but I find it preposterous to say that a handful of Totalists could define themselves as "the Church" and that a handful of those bishops would constitutes a representation of the Universal Church.

If they did that and the CMRI dusted off +Shuckhardt's Hadrian VII costume for Pope Pivarunas, they'd have to check with Linus Von Pentz first, since that endeavor would only represent a difference of degree, and not a qualitative difference from that "election".

What is CT?

Why would it not qualify as a Council if it was a gathering of bishops trying to settle a doctrinal dispute/quell the heresies, etc.?


Offline OABrownson1876

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Re: Transalpine Redemptorists declare 'sede vacante'
« Reply #27 on: May 03, 2026, 09:42:07 PM »
I think they should elect Pope Leonardo in honor of the late Fr. Feeney.