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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Pope Francis must be resisted.
« Reply #110 on: December 08, 2022, 10:47:48 AM »
Since we can never separate Christ from his Church, since the two are one, and since you believe that there is nothing of the Faith or church left in left in Rome (assuming this is what you believe), then you must also believe that Christ is with his church only in the individual trad chapels.

You say that we are not to concern ourselves with the Church's indefectibility or the status of the pope, but if you contend that there is no Faith or Church left in Rome, then it follows that you need to address indefectibility and the pope's status. In my opinion.
Well, what good does it do, what does it profit us to concern ourselves with something (the status of popes and the indefectibility of the Church) we have no need to concern ourselves with - and can do nothing about?

The Church's indefectibility has Christ's promise and should be plenty good enough for all Catholics - if they have faith that is. It is *only* when their faith is very weak or lost that one concerns themself with the indefectibility of the Church, which is Christ. 

I just know what I posted and you know it as well, that Rome has been taken over, but that does not mean there is no faith left in Rome at all, what it means to me is woe to all those in charge. 

Offline Meg

Re: Pope Francis must be resisted.
« Reply #111 on: December 08, 2022, 11:23:48 AM »
Well, what good does it do, what does it profit us to concern ourselves with something (the status of popes and the indefectibility of the Church) we have no need to concern ourselves with - and can do nothing about?

The Church's indefectibility has Christ's promise and should be plenty good enough for all Catholics - if they have faith that is. It is *only* when their faith is very weak or lost that one concerns themself with the indefectibility of the Church, which is Christ. 

I just know what I posted and you know it as well, that Rome has been taken over, but that does not mean there is no faith left in Rome at all, what it means to me is woe to all those in charge.

Thank you for clarifying your view on the subject. Can't say that there's anything to disagree with in your above post. 


Re: Pope Francis must be resisted.
« Reply #112 on: December 08, 2022, 11:29:31 AM »
We make nothing out of it. I think it's part of our nature to invent absurd hypothetical scenarios, then use those absurdities as a litmus test, but the status of the pope is of no consequence to you or to me...

Well, it certainly sounds easy.  I'm not sure what it has to do with the teachings of Roman Catholicism but, yeah, it sounds pretty simple.  

Happy Feast of the Immaculate Conception

Offline Stubborn

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Re: Pope Francis must be resisted.
« Reply #113 on: December 08, 2022, 12:05:04 PM »
Well, it certainly sounds easy.  I'm not sure what it has to do with the teachings of Roman Catholicism but, yeah, it sounds pretty simple. 

Happy Feast of the Immaculate Conception
It was never meant to be difficult. The teaching to go with here is "...be converted and become as little children..." no?

And thank you - happy feast day to you as well!

Re: Pope Francis must be resisted.
« Reply #114 on: December 08, 2022, 12:20:04 PM »
The biggest test for a charismatic:

If any speak with a tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and in course, and let one interpret. But if there be no interpreter, let him hold his peace in the church, and speak to himself and to God. - 1st Corinthians 14:27-28 DRB

We have this charismatic movement in America that spread to the Catholics Post-Vatican II and has spread heresy to our Lord's Church. If someone speaks in tongues without an interpreter, they are most likely a Pentecostal fruitcake with Robert Tilton-esque tendencies that need to be put in their place and either submit to the truth of our Lord and his word or leave.

Back in 2014, They even made Pope Francis uncomfortable:

https://www.charismanews.com/world/44200-how-pope-francis-reacted-to-50-000-charismatics-praying-over-him-speaking-in-tongues