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Title: Ukrainian Catholic Bishops Ask Francis for the Consecration of Russia
Post by: josefamenendez on March 02, 2022, 02:59:00 PM
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Ukraine’s Catholic bishops ask Pope Francis to consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary
The bishops hope that this will bring an end to the conflict in Ukraine.
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LVIV, Ukraine (LifeSiteNews (https://www.lifesitenews.com/catholic/)) – The Roman Catholic Bishops of Ukraine have asked Pope Francis to “consecrate” Russia and Ukraine to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, “as requested by the Blessed Virgin in Fatima,” to bring an end to the current conflict.
In a short appeal (https://kmc.media/2022/03/02/yepyskopy-ukrayiny-prosyat-papu-prysvyatyty-ukrayinu-ta-rosiyu-sercyu-mariyi.html) released the morning of Ash Wednesday, March 2, the Roman Catholic Bishops in Ukraine addressed Pope Francis directly, urging him to complete the consecration of Russia as Our Lady of Fatima requested. Referencing Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, the bishops spoke of “these hours of immeasurable pain and terrible ordeal” and called for the consecration as a remedy for the conflict.
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The statement reads:
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Holy Father! In these hours of immeasurable pain and terrible ordeal for our people, we, the bishops of the Episcopal Conference of Ukraine, are spokesmen for the unceasing and heartfelt prayer, supported by our priests and consecrated persons, which comes to us from all Christian people that Your Holiness will consecrate our Motherland and Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary
Responding to this prayer, we humbly ask Your Holiness to publicly perform the act of consecration to the Sacred Immaculate Heart of Mary of Ukraine and Russia, as requested by the Blessed Virgin in Fatima.
May the Mother of God, Queen of Peace, accept our prayer: Regina pacis, ora pro nobis!
The Catholic bishops have also published a suggested act of consecration (https://kmc.media/2022/02/25/yepyskopat-ukrayiny-oprylyudnyv-onovlenyy-tekst-aktu-prysvyachennya-sercyu-mariyi.html) of Ukraine to the Immaculate Heart (full text below and pdf link here (https://www.lifesitenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Ukraine-Consecration.pdf)), which they encourage to be said privately and after Mass.
A growing number of Catholics (https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/catholic-leaders-sign-petition-to-consecrate-russia/) and high-ranking prelates have been asking Pope Francis to perform the consecration in recent years. In 2017, the 100th anniversary of the year in which Our Lady called for the consecration to be made, Cardinal Raymond Burke made (https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/breaking-cardinal-burke-calls-for-consecration-of-russia-to-immaculate-hear/) a number of public addresses calling for the consecration.
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“Today, once again, we hear the call of Our Lady of Fatima to consecrate Russia to her Immaculate Heart, in accord with her explicit instruction,” he said at the 2017 Rome Life Forum.
“It is evident that the consecration (of Russia) was not carried out in the manner requested by Our Lady,” he added (https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/cardinal-burke-russia-was-not-consecrated-in-the-manner-requested-by-our-la/) in October 2017. “Recognizing the necessity of a total conversion from atheistic materialism and communism to Christ, the call of Our Lady of Fatima to consecrate Russia to Her Immaculate Heart in accord with Her explicit instruction remains urgent.”
The cardinal doubled down in 2020 (https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/cardinal-burke-consecration-of-russia-to-our-lady-more-needed-now-than-ever/), linking the global crisis caused through response to COVID-19 to the consecration not having occurred. “The consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary is more needed today than ever,” he said.
“When we witness how the evil of atheistic materialism, which has its roots in Russia, directs in a radical way the government of the People’s Republic of China, we recognize that the great evil of communism must be healed at its roots through the consecration of Russia, as Our Lady has directed,” Cardinal Burke continued.
The explicit consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart was asked for by Our Lady of Fatima. On her July 13, 1917 apparition, Our Lady told the three children of the vital importance of consecrating Russia to her Immaculate Heart:
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When you see a night illumined by an unknown light, know that this is the great sign given you by God that He is about to punish the world for its crimes, by means of war, famine, and persecutions of the Church and of the Holy Father. To prevent this, I shall come to ask for the consecration of Russia to my Immaculate Heart, and the communion of reparation on the first Saturday’s.
If my requests are heeded, Russia will be converted, and there will be peace. If not, she will spread her errors throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions of the Church. The good will be martyred, the Holy Father will have much to suffer, various nations will be annihilated. In the end, my Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me, and she will be converted, and a period of peace will be granted to the world.
Pope John Paul II made an “entrustment-consecration” of the world, including Russia, to the Immaculate Heart of Mary on March 25, 1984, but he deliberately avoided making (https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/german-cardinal-john-paul-ii-yielded-to-pressure-from-advisers-not-to-name/) the explicit mention of Russia as Our Lady had requested.
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German Cardinal Paul Josef Cordes confirmed in 2017 (https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/german-cardinal-john-paul-ii-yielded-to-pressure-from-advisers-not-to-name/) that John Paul II “held back [from mentioning] Russia explicitly because the Vatican diplomats had urgently asked him not to mention this country because otherwise political conflicts might perhaps arise.”
The late Father Gabriele Amorth, former chief exorcist of Rome, had already noted (https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/exclusive-interview-with-rome-chief-exorcist-fr.-gabriele-amorth/) how the consecration had not been performed as requested, saying “a specific consecration has not yet been made.”

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In light of the bloody conflict between Russia and Ukraine, along with the growing global unrest, LifeSiteNews has resurrected its petition (https://lifepetitions.com/petition/consecrate-russia-to-the-immaculate-heart-of-mary-petition)for the Pope to consecrate Russia as Our Lady specifically requested.
Text of the Catholic Bishops’ of Ukraine’s consecration of Ukraine
Beloved Queen and Our Mother, Queen of the Holy Rosary, Help of Christians, Salvation of the human race, Victorious Virgin, here we humbly fall before You, that You may bring our sincere prayers to Almighty God in the Trinity.
We come in full confidence that we beg for mercy and protection for our Motherland in this dramatic time of war. Mother of Mercy, we ask this not for our merits, which we do not count on, but in view of the infinite goodness of Your Heart and the saving Blood of Christ, Your Son.
May the suffering and cries for help of so many people touch you. Have mercy on the wounded and victims of the shelling, orphans and widows, all those who were forced to leave their homes and seek refuge in safer places. Ask for mercy for those who gave their lives defending their neighbors and our Motherland.
O Immaculate Mother, ask God for the grace of conversion, and we especially ask for the conversion of Russia and all those who are blinded by hatred or thirst for power. Pray for us first of all those graces which can change human hearts in an instant, and which will prepare and bring such a coveted peace! Above all, bring us the gift of spiritual peace so that the Kingdom of God may grow in peace and harmony.
Queen of Peace, ask us for the grace of true reconciliation with God and with each other, so that we can give each other a hand of help and support.
The throne of wisdom, inspire all rulers to make wise decisions and strengthen the efforts of those who contribute to the end of war and peace.
Queen of the Apostles, ask for our pastors the gift of strong faith and zeal in the completion of the Sacraments, so that at this time we may all be united at the Eucharistic table and in zealous prayer.
Heal the sick, strengthen all medical staff and volunteers who care for the sick and wounded, ask for their spiritual and physical strength. Be healing for the sick, strengthening for the dying and fun for their loved ones.
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Just as the Church and all mankind were consecrated to the Heart of Your Divine Son, and in Him we hope to become an inexhaustible source of victory and salvation for all, so we dedicate ourselves forever to You and to Your Immaculate Heart, our Mother and Queen, that Your love and care may ensure the victory of the Kingdom of God, and that our Ukraine and all nations reconciled among themselves and with God may bless and glorify You. Amen!
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Title: Re: Ukrainian Catholic Bishops Ask Francis for the Consecration of Russia
Post by: 2Vermont on March 02, 2022, 03:08:08 PM
Things that makes you go... Hmmmm....🤨
Title: Re: Ukrainian Catholic Bishops Ask Francis for the Consecration of Russia
Post by: DigitalLogos on March 02, 2022, 03:34:03 PM
Rumor has it that Putin even asked Francis to "consecrate" Russia back around 2015-16, and he, of course, never did so.
Title: Re: Ukrainian Catholic Bishops Ask Francis for the Consecration of Russia
Post by: 2Vermont on March 02, 2022, 03:54:20 PM
Quote from: DigitalLogos on March 02, 2022, 03:34:03 PM
Rumor has it that Putin even asked Francis to "consecrate" Russia back around 2015-16, and he, of course, never did so.
I find it hard to believe he even asked him. 
Title: Re: Ukrainian Catholic Bishops Ask Francis for the Consecration of Russia
Post by: DigitalLogos on March 02, 2022, 04:18:24 PM
Quote from: 2Vermont on March 02, 2022, 03:54:20 PM
I find it hard to believe he even asked him.
Like I said, it's more of a rumor, Fr. Kramer talked about it back in 2015 briefly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QmRyAJfJBg
Title: Re: Ukrainian Catholic Bishops Ask Francis for the Consecration of Russia
Post by: Ladislaus on March 02, 2022, 04:29:59 PM
That would be to admit that they were lying the entire time they've claimed that it's already been done.
Title: Re: Ukrainian Catholic Bishops Ask Francis for the Consecration of Russia
Post by: Merry on March 02, 2022, 04:31:15 PM
Beats walking over to the Russian embassy in Rome. 
Title: Re: Ukrainian Catholic Bishops Ask Francis for the Consecration of Russia
Post by: Merry on March 02, 2022, 04:32:12 PM
Quote from: Ladislaus on March 02, 2022, 04:29:59 PM
That would be to admit that they were lying the entire time they've claimed that it's already been done.
Bingo.
Title: Re: Ukrainian Catholic Bishops Ask Francis for the Consecration of Russia
Post by: Ladislaus on March 02, 2022, 04:32:23 PM
Such a consecration would likely have the effect (were Berogoglio actually a pope) of converting Russia (including Putin) and then having the Russians take all of Europe, including Ukraine, and convert them away from their paganism.  Putin has already denounced the Satanism and pedophilia and "contrary to nature" transgenderism of the West.  While these people are hoping that the consecration brings victory to the West, are they hoping that their freedom (for perversion) will be strengthened by this consecration?  Hardly.  Their "democracies" and "freedoms" would be destroyed by a genuine consecration to Our Lady.
Title: Re: Ukrainian Catholic Bishops Ask Francis for the Consecration of Russia
Post by: Nadir on March 02, 2022, 04:37:33 PM
Just in this morning

https://www.patreon.com/posts/63290476

In honor of Ukraine and of Cardinal Josyf Slipyj, at the 130th anniversary of his birth (1892-2022)
Title: Re: Ukrainian Catholic Bishops Ask Francis for the Consecration of Russia
Post by: DigitalLogos on March 02, 2022, 04:38:35 PM
Quote from: Ladislaus on March 02, 2022, 04:32:23 PM
Hardly.  Their "democracies" and "freedoms" would be destroyed by a genuine consecration to Our Lady.
Yes. Babylon is the West, unfortunately. And once it does occur (if it hasn't been done already by Pius XII) us in Western nations can expect to be utterly devastated by such a turn. Which is why I think the prophecies of the Chastisement and Great Monarch may be tied to Fatima, in some way.
Title: Re: Ukrainian Catholic Bishops Ask Francis for the Consecration of Russia
Post by: Ladislaus on March 02, 2022, 04:41:15 PM
Quote from: DigitalLogos on March 02, 2022, 04:38:35 PM
Which is why I think the prophecies of the Chastisement and Great Monarch may be tied to Fatima, in some way.

If for one am convinced that they are.

I also believe that Irlmaier was genuine.  He foretold actual WW3 to be kicked off by an assassination of a "Great One" in the Balkans.  So I don't think this is it.  Besides that, NATO is showing absolutely no signs of wanting to get involved.  They're just shouting "rah rah" from the sidelines, encouraging the Ukrainians to get slaughtered instead of dealing with the Russians, but aren't going to lift a finger except for some "sanctions".  And those sanctions are just a way for them to be able to blame Putin for the inflation and economic mayhem that are on the way.
Title: Re: Ukrainian Catholic Bishops Ask Francis for the Consecration of Russia
Post by: DigitalLogos on March 02, 2022, 05:00:47 PM
Quote from: Ladislaus on March 02, 2022, 04:41:15 PM
If for one am convinced that they are.

I also believe that Irlmaier was genuine.  He foretold actual WW3 to be kicked off by an assassination of a "Great One" in the Balkans.  So I don't think this is it.
Yes, I think Irlmaier was legit as well. I initially had concerns that this was that war, especially knowing some of Russia's military capabilities these days, but it's definitely looking like nothing more than an excuse to push us one step further towards the Great Reset.
Title: Re: Ukrainian Catholic Bishops Ask Francis for the Consecration of Russia
Post by: Carissima on March 02, 2022, 05:19:36 PM
Quote from: Ladislaus on March 02, 2022, 04:29:59 PM
That would be to admit that they were lying the entire time they've claimed that it's already been done.
Well it is a new day and a new war, so in their minds, perhaps this could be a ‘new’ Consecration.
Title: Re: Ukrainian Catholic Bishops Ask Francis for the Consecration of Russia
Post by: Jaycie on March 02, 2022, 05:25:00 PM
I also think Alois Irlmaier was genuine. He was a poor man all his life but never accepted money for using his  'gifts' to help people and he was a devout Catholic. There was a book written about him, his life story, but it was in German but never translated into English  unfortunately.
Title: Re: Ukrainian Catholic Bishops Ask Francis for the Consecration of Russia
Post by: Prayerful on March 02, 2022, 05:43:22 PM
Quote from: Ladislaus on March 02, 2022, 04:32:23 PM
Such a consecration would likely have the effect (were Berogoglio actually a pope) of converting Russia (including Putin) and then having the Russians take all of Europe, including Ukraine, and convert them away from their paganism.  Putin has already denounced the Satanism and pedophilia and "contrary to nature" transgenderism of the West.  While these people are hoping that the consecration brings victory to the West, are they hoping that their freedom (for perversion) will be strengthened by this consecration?  Hardly.  Their "democracies" and "freedoms" would be destroyed by a genuine consecration to Our Lady.
Russia has a colossal abortion rate, HIV is rampant and the portion who practice their schismatic religion is tiny, fewer than the rapidly growing minority of Moslems (which grows every faster as the native Tatars have a high birth rate, but white Russians have been departing at a very rate, while Central Asian Moslems arrive in great numbers). Russia itself needs the consecration too, whatever rhetoric comes from Putin.

Francis himself has shown himself a supporter of the culture of perversity in the West, repeating receiving troons (these are usually lesbian fetishists who are a menace to women, sodomites and atheists, and the less said about his direct support for pederasts like Grassi or Inzoli the better (it is not fit for decent ears and Globohomo doesn't care) the better. Francis won't consecrate anything. He can talk out of both sides of the mouth, but he would never take such a stance against sin (for him all are saved).
Title: Re: Ukrainian Catholic Bishops Ask Francis for the Consecration of Russia
Post by: Ladislaus on March 02, 2022, 05:54:31 PM
Quote from: Prayerful on March 02, 2022, 05:43:22 PM
Russia has a colossal abortion rate, HIV is rampant and the portion who practice their schismatic religion is tiny, ...

That's beside the point.  Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary will convert the country, and then Russia will bring about the conversion of the rest of the world.  So Western Globohomo would have another thing coming if they think, as these "Catholic" bishops do, that Our Lady will prop up their perverse anti-Christian "democracies" (aka Jєωιѕн plutocracies / kleptocracies ).
Title: Re: Ukrainian Catholic Bishops Ask Francis for the Consecration of Russia
Post by: Ladislaus on March 02, 2022, 05:56:43 PM
Quote from: Jaycie on March 02, 2022, 05:25:00 PM
I also think Alois Irlmaier was genuine. He was a poor man all his life but never accepted money for using his  'gifts' to help people and he was a devout Catholic. There was a book written about him, his life story, but it was in German but never translated into English  unfortunately.

I like Irlmaier because he was a very simple and humble man.  His prophetic gift started with a vision of Our Blessed Mother.  Our Lady always appear to children or else childlike individuals who are simple.
Title: Re: Ukrainian Catholic Bishops Ask Francis for the Consecration of Russia
Post by: Cera on March 02, 2022, 06:00:23 PM
Quote from: Prayerful on March 02, 2022, 05:43:22 PM
Russia has a colossal abortion rate, .
This is not Russia bad, Ukraine good.  Ukraine is a prime source for obtaining baby parts.

As Dr. Lazaryev says, "The only thing which protects unborn life in Ukraine is the courage of pregnant women." Continuing his investigations, Dr. Lazaryev found that women were paid $200 to $300 — three month's salary — to carry their pregnancies to a very late stage and to deliver the babies alive in a kind of forced premature birth.

https://www.physiciansforlife.org › stem-cells-abortion-baby-parts-a-the-ukraine (https://www.physiciansforlife.org/stem-cells-abortion-baby-parts-a-the-ukraine/)

''In late 2006, I heard about Vadym Lazaryev and Vladymyr Ischenko, two Ukrainian medical doctors who set up a small pro-life group that finally pierced the shroud of secrecy around the ghastly activities in Eastern Europe for the first time in the mid-1990s. After numerous death threats and then an actual attempt to murder them, the two doctors flew to Shannon, Ireland,
 and requested asylum.
Father Tom Euteneuer, President of Human Life International, sent me to Ireland to interview Drs. Lazaryev and Ischenko. Dr. Ischenko was reluctant to testify because he feared retaliation against his family in Ukraine…
While practicing medical oncology in Donetsk, Dr. Lazaryev began to wonder why doctors tell almost all pregnant women in Ukraine that there is a very high probability that their preborn children have serious birth defects. His own wife Elena was advised to have an abortion on the grounds that her preborn son would have severe birth defects — which, of course, he did not.
 Dr. Lazaryev’s own mother had thirteen pregnancies, eleven of which ended in abortion between his older brother and him.
He found that all Ukrainian women are advised to abort because preborn children are excellent sources of organs and stem cells.
Dr. Lazaryev found that the abortion rate in Ukraine is much, much higher than the official figures would suggest — in fact, about 1.2 million annually in a nation with a population of about 46 million, or more than six times higher than the abortion rate in the United States.
As Dr. Lazaryev says, “The only thing which protects unborn life in Ukraine is the courage of pregnant women.”
Continuing his investigations, Dr. Lazaryev found that women were paid $200 to $300 — three month’s salary — to carry their pregnancies to a very late stage and to deliver the babies alive in a kind of forced premature birth. This procedure allows the living baby’s organs to be harvested while they are still as fresh as possible.
Dr. Lazaryev also found that every region of Ukraine has twin institutions. One does the late-term ‘artificial deliveries,’ and the other dismembers the live-born baby and passes the parts on to other buyers, who screen the material and then sell it at a huge markup to the worldwide network of “clinics” like the Institute for Regenerative Medicine.
Title: Re: Ukrainian Catholic Bishops Ask Francis for the Consecration of Russia
Post by: Meg on March 03, 2022, 12:03:29 AM
Quote from: 2Vermont on March 02, 2022, 03:54:20 PM
I find it hard to believe he even asked him.

I know. What were they thinking? 
Title: Re: Ukrainian Catholic Bishops Ask Francis for the Consecration of Russia
Post by: Church Militant on March 03, 2022, 11:39:14 AM
The antipope Jorge Bergoglio is no authority to perform the Consecration.
Title: Re: Ukrainian Catholic Bishops Ask Francis for the Consecration of Russia
Post by: dymphnaw on March 04, 2022, 02:18:41 PM
Quote from: josefamenendez on March 02, 2022, 02:59:00 PM
Ukraine’s Catholic bishops ask Pope Francis to consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary
The bishops hope that this will bring an end to the conflict in Ukraine.

Isn't it too late though? Louis XVI consecrated France to the Sacred Heart but it was 100 years past the time Our Lord asked for. I think both Our Lady and Our Lord said the consecration would done but "late". 
Title: Re: Ukrainian Catholic Bishops Ask Francis for the Consecration of Russia
Post by: Ladislaus on March 04, 2022, 02:38:06 PM
Quote from: dymphnaw on March 04, 2022, 02:18:41 PM
Isn't it too late though? Louis XVI consecrated France to the Sacred Heart but it was 100 years past the time Our Lord asked for. I think both Our Lady and Our Lord said the consecration would done but "late".

It was exactly 100 years TO THE DAY from when Our Lord asked for the consecration of France to His Sacred Heart that the King of France was deposed.  Even then he had 3.5 years in custody to think about it, and still didn't do it, and then he was beheaded.

Our Lady asked for the consecration of Russia to her Immaculate Heart on June 13, 1929.  So I suspect that some unravelling will begin on June 13, 2029.  After which, 3.5 years puts it at 2033.  Interestingly 2033 will be 75 years since the 1958 "election" (IMO fraudulent) of Angelo Roncalli.  In the visions of Pope Leo XIII, he (reportedly) heard Our Lord say he would give Satan 75 years of control (though it was 100 years in one version, but I'm guessing the 75 is more accurate since the 100 is a round number).  Of course, some people dispute the authenticity of the Leo XIII vision story.


Title: Re: Ukrainian Catholic Bishops Ask Francis for the Consecration of Russia
Post by: songbird on March 04, 2022, 02:39:58 PM
Why does anyone wait for a Pope to consecrate their nation?!  You just do it.  We consecrate ourselves, by the total consecration, churches are consecrated. But isn't that interesting that this so-called pope has lost his authority. True.  Can anyone consecrate if they are not in the state of Grace. Hm?
Title: Re: Ukrainian Catholic Bishops Ask Francis for the Consecration of Russia
Post by: songbird on March 04, 2022, 02:43:34 PM
I am wondering if the time for Satan began 1929, when the consecration was not done. Abomination Desolation, how can anyone turn their back to heaven, against the Holy Trinity and the Mother!!
Title: Re: Ukrainian Catholic Bishops Ask Francis for the Consecration of Russia
Post by: Ladislaus on March 04, 2022, 02:44:22 PM
Quote from: Church Militant on March 03, 2022, 11:39:14 AM
The antipope Jorge Bergoglio is no authority to perform the Consecration.

Agreed.  But I doubt he'd ever do it anyway, unless he were to convert (and you're a sedeprivationist and believe that he would resume formal office at that time).

There's one prohecy which speaks of a Black Pope and a White Pope dying on the same night, and after that would be the Triumph of the Church.  That could very well be Bergoglio (Jesuit superior often called a Black Pope) and we have Ratzinger walking around Rome in papal white.  So I suspect that those two will die the same night (they're both pretty old).

There's another prophecy (I believe from Blessed Anna Maria Taigi, if I recall) that during a conclave Sts. Peter and Paul would appear to designate the next pope to be voted for.  That then would be the Holy Pope.  And it's that Pope who I believe will consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, but not until the major chastisement breaks out.  Will Bergoglio and Ratzinger live another 7 years?  Quite possibly.  Despite protestations of poor health from Ratzinger in 2012, it's been 10 years now and he's still fine.
Title: Re: Ukrainian Catholic Bishops Ask Francis for the Consecration of Russia
Post by: Ladislaus on March 04, 2022, 02:46:36 PM
Quote from: songbird on March 04, 2022, 02:43:34 PM
I am wondering if the time for Satan began 1929, when the consecration was not done. Abomination Desolation, how can anyone turn their back to heaven, against the Holy Trinity and the Mother!!

Perhaps.  And then the 100-year time period would put that in 2029 also.  Nothing happened in 2014 that would make one thing that Satan's control had come to an end.
Title: Re: Ukrainian Catholic Bishops Ask Francis for the Consecration of Russia
Post by: Ladislaus on March 04, 2022, 02:51:59 PM
Quote from: songbird on March 04, 2022, 02:39:58 PM
Why does anyone wait for a Pope to consecrate their nation?!  You just do it.  We consecrate ourselves, by the total consecration, churches are consecrated. But isn't that interesting that this so-called pope has lost his authority. True.  Can anyone consecrate if they are not in the state of Grace. Hm?

Absolutely.  Portugal was consecrated to the Immaculate Heart of Mary in 1931 and, as a result, was spared the ravages of the Communist revolution that took place next door in Spain and was spared from World War II as well.  One year later, 1932, Salazar came into office, and was in charge until 1968 (just before the New Mass).

https://crc-internet.org/our-doctrine/catholic-counter-reformation/the-whole-truth-about-fatima-volume-2/2-4-a-triple-miracle-portugal-showcase-of-our-lady.html

I believe that Our Lady will protect any entity whose heads consecrate them to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.  I think it would be wise for Father and Mother to consecrate their families to the Immaculate Heart of Mary in these dark times (father and mother would be the family equivalent of pope and bishops).
Title: Re: Ukrainian Catholic Bishops Ask Francis for the Consecration of Russia
Post by: DigitalLogos on March 04, 2022, 03:22:20 PM
Quote from: Ladislaus on March 04, 2022, 02:38:06 PM
It was exactly 100 years TO THE DAY from when Our Lord asked for the consecration of France to His Sacred Heart that the King of France was deposed.  Even then he had 3.5 years in custody to think about it, and still didn't do it, and then he was beheaded.

Our Lady asked for the consecration of Russia to her Immaculate Heart on June 13, 1929.  So I suspect that some unravelling will begin on June 13, 2029.  After which, 3.5 years puts it at 2033.  Interestingly 2033 will be 75 years since the 1958 "election" (IMO fraudulent) of Angelo Roncalli.  In the visions of Pope Leo XIII, he (reportedly) heard Our Lord say he would give Satan 75 years of control (though it was 100 years in one version, but I'm guessing the 75 is more accurate since the 100 is a round number).  Of course, some people dispute the authenticity of the Leo XIII vision story.
And 2000 years since Our Lord died and rose from the dead too. With all that's been going on the past 2-3 years, I think we are going to see something MAJOR around 2030.

Quote from: Ladislaus on March 04, 2022, 02:46:36 PM
Perhaps.  And then the 100-year time period would put that in 2029 also.  Nothing happened in 2014 that would make one thing that Satan's control had come to an end.
But things, at least in the world, started to go completely sideways right around that time and became even more overt by 2017.
Title: Re: Ukrainian Catholic Bishops Ask Francis for the Consecration of Russia
Post by: Prayerful on March 04, 2022, 07:40:56 PM
Quote from: Merry on March 02, 2022, 04:31:15 PM
Beats walking over to the Russian embassy in Rome.
Francis is likelier to be travelling to the nearby Masonic Lodge (look on a map of Rome) for fraternity and perhaps instructions.
Title: Re: Ukrainian Catholic Bishops Ask Francis for the Consecration of Russia
Post by: Anne Evergreen on March 04, 2022, 10:04:43 PM
Quote from: songbird on March 04, 2022, 02:39:58 PM
Why does anyone wait for a Pope to consecrate their nation?!  You just do it.  We consecrate ourselves, by the total consecration, churches are consecrated. But isn't that interesting that this so-called pope has lost his authority. True.  Can anyone consecrate if they are not in the state of Grace. Hm?
Our Lady asked that the Pope Consecrate Russia IN UNION WITH ALL THE BISHOPS OF THE WORLD, at the same time, and by mentioning Russia, *by name.* (There was NO mention ever about Ukraine. If Our Lady wanted the Consecration of Ukraine also? She would have mentioned it!

It's a red herring imo. But back to the Consecration of Russia...)

In other words, Bishop Smith from Little Rock, Arkansas, Bishop Jones from Tiny Town, TX, Bishop Bill from Somewhere Ville, Spain, and so on, and so forth. They all have to be united for the same intention.

The Pope has to essentially call in all the poker chips, if you will, and get them all on the same page. He has to be the one to initiate it, and all the rest of the Bishops must follow. When the Consecration mentioning Russia by name is done in this manner, then Our Lady promised a period of peace throughout the world. She also said that it would be done, but "done late."

This likely means that there will be limited time left in the world after the Consecration is done before it's all over. The Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary then, may not be a long period of time as we know it.

Our Lady would not lie, and she would not make promises she does not intend to keep. Fatima only happened in 1917, but since then, I do not recall seeing ANYTHING remotely close to a worldwide Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary initiated by any Pope, and in union with ALL the Bishops in the world.

The Consecration has not happened yet, and I don't believe that Pope Francis will be the one to do it. I believe there will be another Pope after him that will.

Also, in terms of the "Great Monarch" Prophecy? His name is supposed to be Henry, and he will essentially end up reviving France in a miraculous manner. He has not shown up yet either. Some world events don't line up for his arrival yet, because we also have not had the revival of the Fleur-de-Lis. Quebec fits into this because of the ties to France and the lily on their flag, but France is mentioned by name as being THE place where the Great Monarch will rule over.

WW111 yet? No, I don't believe it is by a long shot. If it is, then none of these other situations (Consecration and Great Monarch) would make any sense.

Our Lady kept all of her promises regarding the 3 children of Fatima. She will keep the rest of her promises regarding the Consecration of Russia when it's finally done. WHEN IT IS DONE? THEN, I would be panicking a bit more about the end of the world, so to speak. Then you really know time is short. And, time will be shortened, "for the sake of the elect." That part is in the Bible, but it stands to reason. Things will get so bad that ordinary people will despair from everything that still has to happen before the end.

Edit in: But we aren't even supposed to be preoccupied with this kind of stuff anyway. The end of the world for us, is the day we die, and not a minute before. That could be Tuesday of next week for someone here, or Thursday in 20 years from now! We don't know, and are NOT supposed to obsess about this kind of thing either--to do so is actually sinful against God. It becomes a form of idolatry in itself.

So all this constant trying to figure out who will come first, and when, and this will happen next? Don't even waste any sleep over it. We are to live in the state of grace always, and if God wishes anything else of us, we will receive whatever graces we need, WHEN WE NEED THEM, and not a minute before!

If you don't trust in God, and trust in some exterior website yakking on about WEF stuff, and so on, or believe all the hype all the media tries to sell? Then the devil already has you PREOCCUPIED how he wants, and you are already his plaything.

Focus on God, stay in the state of grace, and LAUGH at the devil. He will LOSE, and there is nothing he can do in the meantime except distract you from prayer, penance, God, and the Sacraments.
Title: Re: Ukrainian Catholic Bishops Ask Francis for the Consecration of Russia
Post by: Ladislaus on March 05, 2022, 07:15:29 AM
Quote from: Anne Evergreen on March 04, 2022, 10:04:43 PM
Our Lady asked that the Pope Consecrate Russia IN UNION WITH ALL THE BISHOPS OF THE WORLD, at the same time, and by mentioning Russia, *by name.* (There was NO mention ever about Ukraine. If Our Lady wanted the Consecration of Ukraine also? She would have mentioned it!
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She also said that it would be done, but "done late."

This likely means that there will be limited time left in the world after the Consecration is done before it's all over. The Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary then, may not be a long period of time as we know it.

Our Lady would not lie, and she would not make promises she does not intend to keep. Fatima only happened in 1917, but since then, I do not recall seeing ANYTHING remotely close to a worldwide Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary initiated by any Pope, and in union with ALL the Bishops in the world.

The Consecration has not happened yet, and I don't believe that Pope Francis will be the one to do it. I believe there will be another Pope after him that will.

Apart from some of those who follow the Dimonds, most people recognize that the consecration has not been performed as requested by Our Lady.

I disagree with your take on what it means that the consecraton would be "late".  I believe this means that by the time it is done, most of the damage will have been done, damage that could have been averted had the Popes performed the consecration before 1960.  This date of 1960 is clearly a reference to Vatican II.

Nevertheless, the request for the consecration of Russia does not PRECLUDE other entities from consecrating themselves, e.g. individual nations, states, and even familieis.  And I beleive that Our Lady will honor those consecrations even as she would the actual consecration of Russia.  See the example of Portugal's consecration in 1931 from my previous post.
Title: Re: Ukrainian Catholic Bishops Ask Francis for the Consecration of Russia
Post by: 2Vermont on March 05, 2022, 07:22:09 AM
Quote from: Anne Evergreen on March 04, 2022, 10:04:43 PM
It's a red herring imo. But back to the Consecration of Russia...)

In other words, Bishop Smith from Little Rock, Arkansas, Bishop Jones from Tiny Town, TX, Bishop Bill from Somewhere Ville, Spain, and so on, and so forth. They all have to be united for the same intention.

The Pope has to essentially call in all the poker chips, if you will, and get them all on the same page. He has to be the one to initiate it, and all the rest of the Bishops must follow. When the Consecration mentioning Russia by name is done in this manner, then Our Lady promised a period of peace throughout the world. She also said that it would be done, but "done late."

Yes. This is correct.  So far every attempted consecration has either not mentioned Russia specifically [Wojtyla] or it was not done in union with all of the bishops [Pius XII].  And it makes me wonder about how this could actually happen.  Would a pope have to call a council? Would all bishops have to be physically present? If not, how would anyone know that all were in uinion?  
Title: Re: Ukrainian Catholic Bishops Ask Francis for the Consecration of Russia
Post by: DigitalLogos on March 05, 2022, 07:48:01 AM
Quote from: 2Vermont on March 05, 2022, 07:22:09 AM
Yes. This is correct.  So far every attempted consecration has either not mentioned Russia specifically [Wojtyla] or it was not done in union with all of the bishops [Pius XII].  And it makes me wonder about how this could actually happen.  Would a pope have to call a council? Would all bishops have to be physically present? If not, how would anyone know that all were in uinion? 
I believe all it would take is to coordinate with all the bishops in their respective dioceses and have them recite the consecration the same day the Pope does. Those who refuse to obey wouldn't necessarily mean the consecration is negated, as those bishops would be culpable for sin in disobedience of a Papal decree.
Title: Re: Ukrainian Catholic Bishops Ask Francis for the Consecration of Russia
Post by: 2Vermont on March 05, 2022, 07:49:16 AM
Quote from: DigitalLogos on March 05, 2022, 07:48:01 AM
I believe all it would take is to coordinate with all the bishops in their respective dioceses and have them recite the consecration when the Pope does.
You mean a universal Zoom meeting?  LOL
Title: Re: Ukrainian Catholic Bishops Ask Francis for the Consecration of Russia
Post by: Ladislaus on March 05, 2022, 07:59:24 AM
I would just declare that all bishops are required to make the consecration on a certain date (and time ... although it would be middle of the night in some parts of the world) and declare that any bishop that fails to do so is ipso facto deposed, and therefore you'd have all the bishops making the consecration.

Of course, if I were Pope, I would immediately depose 98% of the Novus Ordo hierarchy anyway.  Every Traditional priest gets consecrated a bishop and gets put in charge of a diocese or 2 or 3, depending on how many are needed.  In the Eastern Rite, you'd have to keep them in place due to a lack of Traditional priests to fill their spots, although there are some exceptions.  There are a few Eastern Rite sedevacantist groups floating around.

If the NO bishops wanted to remain in the newly-restored Catholic Church, they would be allowed to go to a monastery to do penance for the remainder of their natural lives.  After some time, they might be conditionally ordained to the priesthood (since the vast majority are doubtful).  Otherwise, they would be defrocked and officially laicized.

Title: Re: Ukrainian Catholic Bishops Ask Francis for the Consecration of Russia
Post by: DigitalLogos on March 05, 2022, 08:16:42 AM
Quote from: 2Vermont on March 05, 2022, 07:49:16 AM
You mean a universal Zoom meeting?  LOL
That's one way. The easiest way is just to set a date, like May 13th, and have them recite the consecration at Mass. And then, as Lad said, those who refuse are ipso facto deposed, and badda-bing, you have a consecration in union with all bishops.
Title: Re: Ukrainian Catholic Bishops Ask Francis for the Consecration of Russia
Post by: Ladislaus on March 05, 2022, 08:22:57 AM
Just imagine the logistics of being elected a Traditional pope and having to restore the Church.

Here might be the steps.

1) replace the vast majority of NO bishops with Traditional bishops and priests (this is where the Traditional movement would have served as a "pilot light", as Bishop Williamson characterized it)

2) these new Traditional bishops would have to identify any remaining validly-ordained priests who know how to offer the Tridentine Mass, and staff them in parishes (for the few remaining who aren't too old).  They'd require some quick refresher courses on how to offer the Mass.

3) you could also identify various Motarian and FSSP priests who can offer the Mass and have been offering the Mass, and have the Traditional bishops conditionally ordain them.

4) I'd require conditional consecration of all the (credible) Traditional bishops out there so that there's no more nonsense questioning one anothers' validity.  These in turn, once conditionally consecrated, would be required to conditionally ordain their priests for the same reason.  [This is something that should already have happened, but they're too busy bickering with one another.]

5)  I would then have them identify men with some Traditional training, e.g. former seminarians, who are capable of offering the Tridentine Mass with a quick refresher and crash course ... even if they're married.  I would suspend the celibacy requirement temporarily until things get restored.  They would be ordained "simplex" priests just so they can offer the Mass to staff all the parishes vacated by the NO priests.  Then they would be given a course in moral theology so they can begin hearing confessions.

6) Traditional priests would have to re-establish the seminaries and there would be developed a quick 2-year program to re-educate any NO priests who might be viable candidates ... alongside the traditional seminary for viable new candidates.  I would temporarily reduce it to a 4-year program (instead of the usual 6) ... due to the state of emergency.

7) These bishops would then have to hold conditional confirmations, and investigate the validity or invalidity of other NO Sacraments and possibly rectify all those for the faithful.

All this would be in addition to dogmatic re-affirmation of Traditional Catholic teaching and formal condemnation of the Novus Ordo, the expunging of the Vatican II "robber council", and ... if it were I ... the declaration that the See had been vacant (and infiltrated) since the death of Pope Pius XII.  EENS dogma would be one of the most strongly re-affirmed, defined in such as way and with such clarity as to close all the "loopholes" that allow people to circuмvent it with the right "distinctions".  I would forbid all mention of Baptism of Desire and have it expunged from all Catholic books and textbooks and might, if so inspired by God, condemn it altogether.  I would re-affirm the complete inerrancy of Sacred Scripture in all matters, including historical, (and put Father Paul Robison's book on the Index ... which of course would be re-established.)  I would put the docuмents of Vatican II and all the "Magisterial" works of the V2 papal claimants on the Index and order them destroyed and burned, the removal of all their images from churches, etc.  I would declare all the NO canonizations null and void, and all acts of the V2 papal claimants null and void.  I would issue an encylical regarding ecclesiology that might include some dogmatic declarations, and which would also clarify the principles behind the entire R&R vs. SV dispute.
Title: Re: Ukrainian Catholic Bishops Ask Francis for the Consecration of Russia
Post by: Ladislaus on March 05, 2022, 08:25:42 AM
You'd also have some political issue in many countries, where the bishops are designated by law as the owners of the Church properties (and not the Pope).  So a lot of the NO bishops would refuse to leave and set up schismatic dioceses.  I would formally excommunicate all these and the move the location of the See to the nearest Traditional chapel (even if it's a small chapel that seats 20 people).