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Offline Geremia

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U.S. Novus Ordo blackout
« on: March 25, 2020, 07:25:01 PM »
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    Re: U.S. Novus Ordo blackout
    « Reply #1 on: March 26, 2020, 05:05:50 AM »
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    • Hopefully the lack of the sacrilegious mockery of the Holy Sacrifice of Calvary will speed the stopping of the pandemic. The whole world should do the same.
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    Re: U.S. Novus Ordo blackout
    « Reply #2 on: March 26, 2020, 10:55:50 AM »
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    • I heard a good valid reason. The Bishops are afraid of the liability and getting sued because
    someone at Mass comes down with COVID-19 because of an another person near them was coughing
    and sneezing. All they need is a Doctor say the illness is coronavirus related,
    Even if the person recovers the church still can be sued and into millions of dollars. There are lawyers
    looking for cases to enrich themselves. And the judges most likely go along with it because they also
    get a piece of the pie.

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    Re: U.S. Novus Ordo blackout
    « Reply #3 on: March 26, 2020, 04:13:11 PM »
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    • You do know they are still celebrating it right? They're still saying it and distributing communion and hearing confessions and anointing? Nothing has changed essentially for them except it's going on behind closed doors with it on Facebook and YouTube and streaming so probably more people are seeing it than when only the few showed up before the shutdown. 
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    Re: U.S. Novus Ordo blackout
    « Reply #4 on: March 26, 2020, 04:23:45 PM »
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    • I been trying to find if Catholic were was allowed to have Mass in Public during the 1918-1919 influenza.
    At that time being a Catholic was a persecuted minority and the rise of the KKK in the 1920's were an anti
    Catholic movement.

    The best I could find is from the Chicago Sun Times.  

    From the article:

    But the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Chicago instructed pastors to add ushers to spot people who sneezed or coughed and ask them to leave the mass.



    If there was banning of Mass during the influenza it was done by city by city such as Philadelphia in which
    the pastors complied.



    A must read article:

    https://chicago.suntimes.com/coronavirus/2020/3/20/21186633/coronavirus-chicago-spanish-flu-influenza-pandemic-1918
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    Re: U.S. Novus Ordo blackout
    « Reply #5 on: March 26, 2020, 04:28:54 PM »
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    • Quote from: RomanCatholic1953 on March 26, 2020, 04:23:45 PM
    I been trying to find if Catholic were was allowed to have Mass in Public during the 1918-1919 influenza.

    Not a direct source, but Br. Alexis Bugnolo weighs in on the subject here:

    TO VINDICATE THE DEAD: THE SPANISH INFLUENZA AT PHILADEPHIA IN 1918
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    Re: U.S. Novus Ordo blackout
    « Reply #6 on: March 26, 2020, 07:06:02 PM »
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    • Quote from: RomanCatholic1953 on March 26, 2020, 10:55:50 AM
    I heard a good valid reason. The Bishops are afraid of the liability and getting sued because
    someone at Mass comes down with COVID-19 because of an another person near them was coughing.

    THIS^^^.  Many people WILL sue them.
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    Re: U.S. Novus Ordo blackout
    « Reply #7 on: March 26, 2020, 11:04:59 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on March 26, 2020, 07:06:02 PM
    THIS^^^.  Many people WILL sue them.

    I fear dying without Holy Eucharist and Las Rites. I fear going to Mass and a contagious person coughing near me and then I die. How do I reconcile 2 opposite beliefs?



    Padre Pio was quoted that the earth can survive without the sun but it cannot survive without the Mass.



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    Re: U.S. Novus Ordo blackout
    « Reply #8 on: March 27, 2020, 08:00:50 AM »
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    • Quote from: RomanCatholic1953 on March 26, 2020, 11:04:59 PM


    Padre Pio was quoted that the earth can survive without the sun but it cannot survive without the Mass.




    That last line was incorrectly included in the quote as if it came from me.  I do not fear death.  God is in control.  When it is His will day I die, then I accept it as such.  I will, however, strive to not spread this thing to anyone else.  I never made that statement about being afraid.  Not sure how you managed to jumble that quote in with mine.  I wish you'd be a little more careful with your posting ... lest you end up calumniating me [or someone else] with statements that I [or they] never made.
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    Re: U.S. Novus Ordo blackout
    « Reply #9 on: March 27, 2020, 09:55:37 AM »
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    • Quote from: RomanCatholic1953 on March 26, 2020, 11:04:59 PM


    Padre Pio was quoted that the earth can survive without the sun but it cannot survive without the Mass.



    Masses are still being celebrated, but they are either sine populo, or very few people assist.

    Just to throw this out there, but think of all the sacrilegious communions that are not being made, by people who are in mortal sin.
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    Re: U.S. Novus Ordo blackout
    « Reply #10 on: March 29, 2020, 04:17:51 PM »
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    • Quote from: confederate catholic on March 26, 2020, 04:13:11 PM
    You do know they are still celebrating it right? They're still saying it and distributing communion and hearing confessions and anointing?
    I thought most Novus Ordites believed in "assembly theology" (that the congregation is necessary for consecration).
    Do Conciliar Church priests say their own daily Masses anyways?
    And very few hear confessions.
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    Re: U.S. Novus Ordo blackout
    « Reply #11 on: March 29, 2020, 04:19:03 PM »
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    • Quote from: RomanCatholic1953 on March 26, 2020, 10:55:50 AM
    I heard a good valid reason. The Bishops are afraid of the liability and getting sued because
    someone at Mass comes down with COVID-19 because of an another person near them was coughing
    and sneezing. All they need is a Doctor say the illness is coronavirus related,
    Even if the person recovers the church still can be sued and into millions of dollars. There are lawyers
    looking for cases to enrich themselves. And the judges most likely go along with it because they also
    get a piece of the pie.
    Shepherds (wolves, really) being afraid of their sheep isn't "a good valid reason."
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    reopened dioceses
    « Reply #12 on: May 02, 2020, 04:55:20 PM »
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    Re: U.S. Novus Ordo blackout
    « Reply #13 on: May 02, 2020, 07:32:05 PM »
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    • I heard that the closing of the houses of worship in the U.S. did not affect the muslim Mosques. They are
    still having their prayer services.
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    Re: U.S. Novus Ordo blackout
    « Reply #14 on: May 02, 2020, 09:51:16 PM »
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    • Quote from: RomanCatholic1953 on May 02, 2020, 07:32:05 PM
    I heard that the closing of the houses of worship in the U.S. did not affect the muslim Mosques. They are still having their prayer services.
    And they're probably also, like Novus Ordo dioceses, churches, and "charitable" organizations, federally-funded…
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