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Offline Giovanni Berto

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Re: FSSPX prepares for the consecration of new bishops
« Reply #15 on: December 27, 2023, 10:18:52 AM »
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  • Here's all you need to know.  Huonder has said things more critical of the Conciliar religion than Strickland ever did, but while the latter has been removed, Huonder not only remains in "good standing" with Jorge, but is even there with Jorge's blessing and permission.  Jorge is a sworn enemy of Traditional Catholicism, so why did he give Huonder permission to become associated with SSPX?  There can be only one answer.  Huonder is an agent and part of the transition plan.  Why, for that matter, is Jorge making concessions to SSPX (jurisdiction for Confessions, arrangements for marriages, etc.) while ruthlessly suppressing the Motu Tridentine Masses?  There's only one way to view this consistently, that it's part of a plan to absorb the SSPX Trads back into the Conciliar church, whereas the Motu Masses were actually serving as a "gateway drug" and leading more Catholics out of the Conciliar church than they were keeping them there.  Jorge admitted as much in Traditionis Custodes, that the plan was working contrary to its goals of keeping Trad-minded faithful in the Conciliar Church.  When the faithful have the opportunity in Motu Masses to experience the Tridentine Mass, which is a more eloquent teacher of the sensus Catholicus than any textbook ever written, they start to wake up to the contradiction between Tradition and the Conciliar Church, and so it was "waking up" more people than it was lulling to sleep in complacency.  Ganswein later admitted that this was Ratzinger's plan also, despite all the latter's pretenses to be some kind of quasi-Trad "pope".

    The plan seems to be to put all Traditionalists in  the SSPX and then neutralize it completely.

    The Rome people are apparently oblivious to the existence of the Resistance and the Sedevacantists.

    Offline Mr G

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    Re: FSSPX prepares for the consecration of new bishops
    « Reply #16 on: December 27, 2023, 11:56:18 AM »
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  • The plan seems to be to put all Traditionalists in  the SSPX and then neutralize it completely.

    The Rome people are apparently oblivious to the existence of the Resistance and the Sedevacantists.
    Yes, remember Bishop Fellay's 2016 conference in Australia? He practically says the plan is to have only the Prelature be the only approved entity that is allowed to have the Latin Mass and related 1962 rite sacraments, all others will be banned. FSSP, etc. will have to be under the Prelature if they want Latin Mass, otherwise nothing but Novus Ordo.


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    Re: FSSPX prepares for the consecration of new bishops
    « Reply #17 on: December 27, 2023, 04:45:09 PM »
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  • I'm sure others have said this, but my guess is that Huonder will consecrate any new bishops alone--the other SSPX bishops will not be co-consecrators--so that as the valid bishops and priests of the SSPX die, the only priests of the SSPX that will be left will be priests whose orders stem strictly from the New Rite.  In the end, the SSPX will have all the ceremonies but none of the sacraments.

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    Re: FSSPX prepares for the consecration of new bishops
    « Reply #18 on: December 27, 2023, 06:37:56 PM »
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  • I'm sure others have said this, but my guess is that Huonder will consecrate any new bishops alone--the other SSPX bishops will not be co-consecrators--so that as the valid bishops and priests of the SSPX die, the only priests of the SSPX that will be left will be priests whose orders stem strictly from the New Rite.  In the end, the SSPX will have all the ceremonies but none of the sacraments.
    Dear TKGS
    Who in the SSPX would be directing this plan to fruition?

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    Re: FSSPX prepares for the consecration of new bishops
    « Reply #19 on: December 27, 2023, 08:21:40 PM »
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    He writes that this serious matter "could disturb some of the faithful, especially young people, who are not sufficiently interested in the crisis in the Church".
    I wonder why it would be that the young people are not 'sufficiently' interested.  The SSPX has normalized the Crisis to the point of non-existence. 


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    Re: FSSPX prepares for the consecration of new bishops
    « Reply #20 on: December 28, 2023, 10:42:56 AM »
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  • I'm sure others have said this, but my guess is that Huonder will consecrate any new bishops alone--the other SSPX bishops will not be co-consecrators--so that as the valid bishops and priests of the SSPX die, the only priests of the SSPX that will be left will be priests whose orders stem strictly from the New Rite.  In the end, the SSPX will have all the ceremonies but none of the sacraments.

    But wouldn't that be uncanonical?  I'm assuming that the four SSPX bishops consecrated in 1988 were only consecrated by two bishops, not three, simply due to a third bishop not being available.

    It would be awfully hard to justify consecrating without three bishops, if three bishops were indeed available, as they are in the SSPX at this time.  Here's what the Catholic Encyclopedia says:

    https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04079b.htm