Author Topic: Two quotes about the fewness of the saved. (Read 1236 times)

Matto · « **on:** August 08, 2016, 08:27:20 PM »

These are two quotes I found on a website about the fewness of the saved:

'Our chronicles relate an even more dreadful happening. One of our brothers, well-known for his doctrine and holiness, was preaching in Germany. He represented the ugliness of the sin of impurity so forceful that a woman fell dead of sorrow in front of everyone. Then, coming back to life, she said, "When I was presented before the Tribunal of God, sixty thousand people arrived at the same time from all parts of the world; out of that number, three were saved by going to Purgatory, and all the rest were damned.'
St. Leonard of Port Maurice

"The following narrative from Saint Vincent Ferrer will show you what you may think about it. He relates that an archdeacon in Lyons gave up his charge and retreated into a desert place to do penance, and that he died the same day and hour as Saint Bernard. After his death, he appeared to his bishop and said to him, "Know, Monsignor, that at the very hour I passed away, thirty-three thousand people also died. Out of this number, Bernard and myself went up to heaven without delay, three went to purgatory, and all the others fell into Hell."
St. Leonard of Port Maurice

So out of sixty thousand only three were saved and out of thirty-three thousand five were saved. And we are arguing over Baptism of Desire. If BOD exists, how many people do you think it would save? Maybe a hundred. So for so few we are arguing so much. We should focus more on the fact that out of ten thousand souls who live beyond the use of reason, only one will be saved. And we should fear for our salvation. Sometimes I think about those who want to extend BOD to everyone and I think they are just trying to convince themselves that God will save almost everyone so they do not have to fear for their own salvation.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #1 on:** August 08, 2016, 08:59:00 PM »

Quote from: Matto

If BOD exists, how many people do you think it would save? Maybe a hundred. So for so few we are arguing so much.

Exactly. As you can see, the BoD crusade has nothing to do with the one or two people who may be saved this way; it's all about the EENS dogma. If you look at the history of Father Feeney's travails, he hardly even mentions BoD early on but focuses entirely on the dogma EENS. He subsequently saw how people were using BoD to undermine EENS.

Last Tradhican · « **Reply #2 on:** August 08, 2016, 10:09:42 PM »

Quote from: Matto

Sometimes I think about those who want to extend BOD to everyone and I think they are just trying to convince themselves that God will save almost everyone so they do not have to fear for their own salvation.

Never thought of it that way, but it makes sense. I came to the conclusion that they thought salvation is easy, and that most people are saved, therefore, they do not believe in EENS, or any of those warnings of the few saved.

"A multitude of souls fall into the depths of Hell. It has been revealed that on the day of the death of St. Bernard there also died 79,999 other people, and of this total of 80,000 who died, only St. Bernard and two other monks were saved". (St. Anthony Mary Claret)

JohnAnthonyMarie · « **Reply #3 on:** August 08, 2016, 10:44:40 PM »

Quote from: The Holy Gospel of Jesus Christ, According to St. Mark

16:15 And he said to them: Go ye into the whole world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
et dixit eis euntes in mundum universum praedicate evangelium omni creaturae

16:16 He that believeth and is baptized, shall be saved: but he that believeth not shall be condemned.
qui crediderit et baptizatus fuerit salvus erit qui vero non crediderit condemnabiturt

Quote from: The Acts of the Apostles

4:8 Then Peter, filled with the Holy Ghost, said to them: Ye princes of the people, and ancients, hear:
tunc Petrus repletus Spiritu Sancto dixit ad eos principes populi et seniores

4:9 If we this day are examined concerning the good deed done to the infirm man, by what means he hath been made whole:
si nos hodie diiudicamur in benefacto hominis infirmi in quo iste salvus factus est

4:10 Be it known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God hath raised from the dead, even by him this man standeth here before you whole.
notum sit omnibus vobis et omni plebi Israhel quia in nomine Iesu Christi Nazareni quem vos crucifixistis quem Deus suscitavit a mortuis in hoc iste adstat coram vobis sanus

4:11 This is the stone which was rejected by you the builders, which is become the head of the corner.
hic est lapis qui reprobatus est a vobis aedificantibus qui factus est in caput anguli

4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other. For there is no other name under heaven given to men, whereby we must be saved.
et non est in alio aliquo salus nec enim nomen aliud est sub caelo datum hominibus in quo oportet nos salvos fieri

MarylandTrad · « **Reply #4 on:** August 10, 2016, 11:16:19 AM »

Quote from: Matto

These are two quotes I found on a website about the fewness of the saved:

'Our chronicles relate an even more dreadful happening. One of our brothers, well-known for his doctrine and holiness, was preaching in Germany. He represented the ugliness of the sin of impurity so forceful that a woman fell dead of sorrow in front of everyone. Then, coming back to life, she said, "When I was presented before the Tribunal of God, sixty thousand people arrived at the same time from all parts of the world; out of that number, three were saved by going to Purgatory, and all the rest were damned.'
St. Leonard of Port Maurice

"The following narrative from Saint Vincent Ferrer will show you what you may think about it. He relates that an archdeacon in Lyons gave up his charge and retreated into a desert place to do penance, and that he died the same day and hour as Saint Bernard. After his death, he appeared to his bishop and said to him, "Know, Monsignor, that at the very hour I passed away, thirty-three thousand people also died. Out of this number, Bernard and myself went up to heaven without delay, three went to purgatory, and all the others fell into Hell."
St. Leonard of Port Maurice

So out of sixty thousand only three were saved and out of thirty-three thousand five were saved. And we are arguing over Baptism of Desire. If BOD exists, how many people do you think it would save? Maybe a hundred. So for so few we are arguing so much. We should focus more on the fact that out of ten thousand souls who live beyond the use of reason, only one will be saved. And we should fear for our salvation. Sometimes I think about those who want to extend BOD to everyone and I think they are just trying to convince themselves that God will save almost everyone so they do not have to fear for their own salvation.

St. Leonard of Port Maurice was Fr. Leonard Feeney's patron saint.