I just found this on Father Gruner's site:

( Question ) What is meant by “the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary”?

( Answer ):  At Fatima, on July 13, 1917, Our Lady told Sister Lucy that “God is about to punish the world for its crimes, by means of war, famine, and persecutions of the Church, and of the Holy Father. To prevent this, I shall come to ask for the Communions of reparation and for the consecration of Russia to My Immaculate Heart ... In the end, My Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to Me, which will be converted, and a period of peace will be granted to the world.”
Our Lady’s request is very simple: Russia—the fount of so much evil in the 20th Century—must be set apart and made sacred by its consecration to the Mother of God."

http://www.fatimapriest.com/faq03.html

I wish Father Gruner were more clear and would make it known that the request for the consecration happened in 1929, not in 1917.  It was in 1929 when "Mary" told Lucy in her convent in Tuy to request the consecration.  

Something that I don't know if anyone has pointed out before -- When Fatima was deemed "worthy of belief," it was not this later addition that was part of what was "worthy of belief."  Only the original 1917 apparition was deemed worthy of belief, and not the later visitations of Mary to Lucy.  That means there is no official approval of the Church for the idea of the consecration of Russia, or of the secrets.  Only of the Miracle of the Sun and the original apparition!  

Do you see my point?  What if someone says that Mary appears to him in an apparition and says that the Great Monarch will conquer Jerusalem.  The Church studies the case and says, "Yes, we believe it, we believe this is authentic."  Then twelve years later the same prophet says "Mary just came to me again, and she wants you to know that not only will the Monarch conquer Jerusalem, but he will conquer the Anti-Christ.  Mary told me this last time, actually, but said I had to wait twelve years to reveal it."  Okay, this is heresy, St. Michael and Christ conquer the Anti-Christ.  That false prophecy was added to an original story of an apparition that was, if not true, at least plausible.  

It's the same with the consecration of Russia.  Even if Fatima is real, the consecration is not part of the original apparition and not part of what was accepted as "worthy of belief" by the Church.  At least, not as far as I can gather.  The same goes for all the "secrets," they were both added later, which include the vision of hell and the suggestion of World War II.  All that was told to the world by the children in 1917 in terms of "prophecy" was that Mary/"Mary" said that World War I would end.  It was only in 1929 that Lucy began adding deeper prophecy to it, along with the request for the consecration.  

So yeah, the original Fatima was worthy of belief, or at least not harmful.  It was just a call to repentance and to say the Rosary.  That doesn't mean that prophecies can be added to it with impunity, does it?  I would say, because of Lucy's later behavior, that it took away the original Fatima's possible worthiness, because now we can see that perhaps she was being guided by the devil like her original priest thought, like her mother even thought.  

What are we talking about here? It was on July 13th that Our Lady appeared, mentioned the consecration of Russia, and predicted a miracle for October. This is most certainly approved by the Church as a part of "Fatima".

R76 doesn't need reference, he is gifted, the profit Elias.  

Odd, the signs, messages,etc have mostly come true and no contradiction to the Faith at Fatima.....

soooo.....P6 liked Dhanis and Dhanis supports Raoul's thoughts... :reporter:

if this was Chesterton, Raoul would have already thrown him under the bus......luckily, we have more charity for Raoul and agree to disagree then Raoul has for Chesterton......

I don't think along those lines.

What I did think about was WD40 and R2D2.

R76, I just read what you wrote.

I hate to tell you this, but there was a Jesuit in the forties (Dhanis) who wrote exactly what you said (he was the proponent of the "Fatima I" and "Fatima II" theory).  This Jesuit caught hell from anyone that was devoted to Fatima at that time.  It wasn't until Paul VI (of unhappy memory) that Dhanis' reputation was restored.

I still maitain that the message of Fatima was the Rosary, first Saturdays, amending our lives, and reparation for our sins and the sins of others. The consecration of Russia is not something anybody can accomplish themselves.

The main message seems to be ignored by many more in favor of the talk about the consecration of Russia.

Once again, Mike shoots off at the mouth before checking the facts, further insulting the Mother of God.  In 1917, Our Lady of Fatima stated that She will come to ask for the consecration of Russia.  In 1929 at Tuy, She fulfilled Her promise to come and made this particular request.  

1917: "To prevent this, I shall come to ask for the consecration of Russia to My Immaculate Heart, and the Communion of Reparation on the First Saturdays."

1929: "The moment has come in which God asks the Holy Father to make, in union with all the bishops of the world, the consecration of Russia to My Immaculate Heart, promising to save it by this means."

he at times means well and can be right on some things, but he goes off half cocked and blanket bombs everyone  and thing....a guy could be right on everything to Mike, then say one thing off, say like the French revolt was right (because he likely was raised to think this way, a product of his times and environment) and all of a sudden, said guy is stoned and beaten to death, no other good things remembered....