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Trying to Decipher a Scrambled Message
« on: March 10, 2018, 09:07:51 PM »
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  • Trying to Decipher a Scrambled Message

    Could this be the Third Message of our Lady of Fatima?

    http://traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/g33ht_Decipher.htm


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    Re: Trying to Decipher a Scrambled Message
    « Reply #1 on: March 11, 2018, 12:04:56 AM »
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  • Trying to Decipher a Scrambled Message

    Could this be the Third Message of our Lady of Fatima?

    http://traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/g33ht_Decipher.htm
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    Thanks for the link!
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    I read the article, and it is interesting. Since I know that Atila is fluent in Portuguese and enjoys untangling deception in any form, I think he is doing a good service by providing the product of his exercise. I don't think he has any reason to be making this up or trying to "fool" anyone. It seems to me he did a very good job in questioning things that are asking for correction, and that he is correct in expecting that Sr. Lucia would not have made such grammatical errors as the first face of the docuмent would have us believe.
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    It seems to me that Atila has done a thorough job of putting to rest ALMOST all of the problems with this text.
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    The one thing I have a problem with is the fact that Atila does not mention that the REAL Third Secret ought to be the text of the WORDS of Our Lady to the two young girls (because Francisco could not hear her words).
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    This message that he has untangled -- while it seems as though it easily could be written by Sr. Lucy -- does not satisfy that very important criterion. 
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    This message is perhaps yet ANOTHER narration from Sister Lucy, just as the so-called official A.D. 2000 "Third Secret" which appears to be screenplay notes for a movie, NOT  the actual words of Our Lady. It seems to be Sister Lucia's screenplay-like notes for what she saw WHILE Our Lady spoke to her, just as the so-called official version is, screenplay-like notes.
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    The last clue we have, where the abbreviation "etc" stands in the place of the missing Third Secret ends with the phrase, "In Portugal, the dogma of the faith will always be preserved, etc."
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    The closest thing this TIA version has are the words, "Because the dogma of the faith is not conserved in Rome, its authority will be removed and delivered to Fatima. The cathedra [or chair] of Rome will be destroyed and a new one built in Fatima."
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    That is, it says, "Because the dogma of the faith is not conserved in Rome, its authority will be removed and delivered to Fatima." That is SIMILAR but not quite the same as saying that in Portugal the dogma of the faith will always be preserved. It seems to me this is a summary of Sister Lucy, who can be excused for saying that since Rome has not conserved the dogma of the faith consequently Rome's authority will be delivered to Fatima. However, it seems to me that Our Lady would not be likely to speak this way. It would be more her style to say something like, In Portugal, the dogma of the faith will always be preserved, and since Rome has failed to keep this precious treasure secure, Rome's authority shall be removed and delivered to Fatima. 
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    That is to say, it is not entirely logical to say that Rome has blown it, therefore now it's Fatima's chance. It would be much more logical to say that, Whereas the dogma of the faith has, and shall continue to find, a meet refuge in Portugal, whereas Rome has failed to protect this priceless treasure, whereas Rome has been tested and found wanting, therefore, Rome's authority shall be removed and delivered to Fatima.
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    My one reservation here is that I have known people who have gone to Portugal to see for themselves how the dogma of the faith has been preserved there, and have come back saying that they did not find it so preserved in Portugal. Perhaps it finds a save refuge in the hearts of simple Portuguese Catholics, but since the Novus Ordo liturgy has all but won the day throughout the country (only on rare occasions is the TLM said there, and mostly by visiting priests like Fr. Gruner and others, who get hassled by pastors like elsewhere and have to resort to saying Mass in hotel rooms and the like), it seems to me that the simple Portuguese people would have a nearly impossible task before them to conserve the dogma of the faith when they're neck-deep in Novus Ordoism for multiple generations. 
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    St. Luke 1,50:
    His mercy is from generation unto generations to them that fear Him. (Not unto them who worship the devil instead.)
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    Furthermore, as this "Because the dogma" part is found near the end of this TIA version or at least in the second half, its location seems a bit off from the revised message Sister Lucia wrote when she added this: "In Portugal, the dogma... etc." 
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    That is to say, that her inclusion of the abbreviated "etc" at the very END of her addition seems to strongly point toward the words of Our Lady having begun with literally, "In Portugal, the dogma of the faith shall always be preserved..."
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    Atila is not clear on this matter and seems to leave himself room for further developments in the future.
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    Re: Trying to Decipher a Scrambled Message
    « Reply #2 on: March 11, 2018, 12:48:38 AM »
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    Here is the English translation of the copy originally obtained by TIA:

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    Tuy September 1, 1944 or April 1, 1944

    JMJ 

    Now I am going to reveal the third fragment of the secret: This part is the apostasy in the Church! 

    Our Lady showed us the individual who I describe as the 'holy Father' in front of a multitude that was cheering him. 

    But there was a difference from a true holy Father, his devilish gaze, this one had the gaze of evil. 

    Then, after some moments we saw the same Pope entering a Church, but this Church was the Church of hell; there is no way to describe the ugliness of that place. It looked like a gray cement fortress with broken angles and windows similar to eyes; it had a beak in the roof of the building. 

    Next, we raised our eyes to Our Lady who said to us: You saw the apostasy in the Church; this letter can be opened by the holy Father, but it must be announced after Pius XII and before 1960. 

    In the kingdom of John Paul II the cornerstone of Peter's grave must be removed and transferred to Fatima. 

    Because the dogma of the faith is not conserved in Rome, its authority will be removed and delivered to Fatima. 

    The cathedral of Rome must be destroyed and a new one built in Fatima. 

    If 69 weeks after this order is announced, Rome continues its abomination, the city will be destroyed. 

    Our Lady told us that this is written,[in] Daniel 9:24-25 and Matthew 21:42-44
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    Then after he found discrepancies and tried moving text around using Photoshop, Atila arrived at what he thinks is a more likely unaltered version. See his website to read his detailed exposition of this process.
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    I left the two last paragraphs without any change. They seemed well placed to me. 

    The final deciphered version thus reads, line by line: 

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    I always had suspicions regarding the date April 1, 1944 (line 1), April Fools’ Day, which most probably should have been January 4, 1944, and by the ill-sounding expression “the Cathedral of Rome” (line 21), which to make sense should be Cathedra [or Chair] of Rome” signifying the Holy See. Some days ago I started to scrutinize that “Third Secret” looking for more traces of a possible falsification. 

    I found some and worked with them. It is the fruit of this labor that I pass on to my readers in this article. 
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    Then, I made a new paragraph with those words of Our Lady’s order to open the secret. It seemed to me that they belong there. Since in this new paragraph the first letter of the word “esta” [this] was in lower case, I copied the upper case “E” of the first word of paragraph three “Então” [then] and pasted it over the “e” of the “esta.” 

    I left the two last paragraphs without any change. They seemed well placed to me. 

    The final deciphered version thus reads, line by line:                         

                   
    [Tuy, January 4th, 1944]     
    Now I am going to reveal the third fragment of the secret; 
    This part is the apostasy in the Church! 

    Our Lady showed us a Church, but this was a
    Church of hell, and an individual who I describe as the 'holy 
    Father' leading a multitude that was praising the devil,
    but there was a difference from a true holy Father, the gaze, 
    this one had the gaze of evil. 

    Then we saw the same Pope entering a Church, 
    after some moments, but there is no way to describe the 
    ugliness of that place, it looked like a gray cement fortress 
    with broken angles and windows similar to eyes; 
    it had a beak in the roof of the building. 

    Next, we raised our eyes to Our Lady who
    said to us: You saw the apostasy in the Church. 

    Because the dogma of the faith is not conserved in Rome, its authority 
    will be removed and delivered to Fatima. The cathedra [or chair] of Rome will be 
    destroyed and a new one built in Fatima. 

    In the kingdom of John Paul II the cornerstone of Peter's tomb
    will be removed and transferred to Fatima. 

    This letter can be opened by the holy Father, but it must be 
    announced after Pius XII and before 1960. 

    If 69 weeks after this order is announced, Rome continues its 
    abomination, the city will be destroyed. 

    Our Lady told us that this is written, [in] Daniel 9:24-25 and Matthew 21:42-44.
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    Why did the falsifier give the date of April 1 to his scrambled message? Most probably to discredit it as much as possible and make people believe that the whole history of Fatima is just a “story of children,” as Benedict XVI called it. 

    In order to vindicate Our Lady, her message and Sr. Lucy, I am posting this analysis on the same date of April Fools' Day to make fools of those who want to ridicule Our Lady. 

    God also knows how to use irony. 

    Do I imagine that this is the complete deciphering of the message of Fatima and what I presented here is the true Third Secret? 

    I just exposed what I believe to be wrong. The result is a text that makes much more sense than the docuмent we already had. If this is the real secret that Sr. Lucy wrote, I would be greatly honored to have brought it to light. If it is not, this analysis is meant to foment the debate in order to induce the real docuмent to come to light. 

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