Author Topic: True Restoration Radio: Confessions of a Novus Ordo Seminarian (Read 2807 times)

2Vermont · « **on:** June 05, 2014, 04:07:19 PM »

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/restorationradio/2014/06/02/true-restoration-flagship-xxxvii-confessions-of-a-novus-ordo-seminarian

On this episode of the True Restoration Flagship Show, join us for one of the most lengthy and in-depth programs we have ever done on the Restoration Radio Network. This show will introduce a gentleman who tried a vocation in multiple modernist seminaries of the Novus Ordo sect in the Archdiocese of Toronto, Canada in the 1980s, only to find out the evil and unspeakable reality behind them. Mr. John Thomson will explain in great detail the places, events, heresies, evil, unbelief, unnatural vices, modernism, Marxism, atheism, and scandal beyond imagine revealed by both seminary faculty and seminarians alike, while he stood in disbelief as he watched what he thought was the Roman Catholic Church demonstrate a complete abandonment of the Catholic religion before his very eyes.

Mr. Thomson will guide the listener through the entire process, from discerning a vocational calling, to visiting the seminary, to being admitted and the process which that required, the hatred for anything other than Vatican II, the unbelieving seminary professors, the heresies taught, the abominable acts occurring, and much, much more. If you have a loved one in a Novus Ordo seminary, this episode is a must listen.

He will then tell us about his time, having left the modernist seminary, in the seminaries of the Society of St. Pius X during which time, Archbishop Lefebvre died and he witnessed a tidal wave of changes after that event.

Haven't listened to the entire show yet, but it sounds interesting indeed.

Mithrandylan · « **Reply #1 on:** June 05, 2014, 04:23:29 PM »

It was interesting.

It's about a three hour show. I found it mainly informative and helpful, though it was quite shocking (even though a person familiar with Novus Ordo antics could probably expect some of the stories Mr. Thomsen had to relay, they're shocking nevertheless).

He offered a strange opinion as a "proof" against the validity of the Novus Ordo which I wouldn't use. Essentially, on the hypothesis that charismatics are possessed (since they meet three of the four criterion for discerning possessed souls according to the Rituale Romanum) they can "withstand" Novus Ordo "holy water" and hosts consecrated in the Novus Ordo. But if they were posessed, they couldn't "handle" holy water or the Blessed Sacrament. But if the Novus Ordo rites of orders aren't valid, then the Novus Ordo holy water and holy communion aren't valid, which would explain why the possessed aren't bothered by them.

I actually agree with him, or am tempted to-- but that's a circular argument and I certainly wouldn't present it to someone not yet convinced of the invalidity of the Novus Ordo rites (or, at least doubtfulness of them) as "proof." It's more an interesting after thought, these two likely hypotheses working in consort with one another, rather than strict proof.

It was also very interesting what he had to say about the SSPX after the death of ABL. Sound familiar?

2Vermont · « **Reply #2 on:** June 05, 2014, 04:59:02 PM »

Just listening to the part about the pre and post Vatican II priest psychological testing results (and how that was used in accepting or rejecting a prospective seminarian). Wow.

2Vermont · « **Reply #3 on:** June 05, 2014, 05:53:17 PM »

Quote from: Mithrandylan

It was interesting.

It's about a three hour show. I found it mainly informative and helpful, though it was quite shocking (even though a person familiar with Novus Ordo antics could probably expect some of the stories Mr. Thomsen had to relay, they're shocking nevertheless).

He offered a strange opinion as a "proof" against the validity of the Novus Ordo which I wouldn't use. Essentially, on the hypothesis that charismatics are possessed (since they meet three of the four criterion for discerning possessed souls according to the Rituale Romanum) they can "withstand" Novus Ordo "holy water" and hosts consecrated in the Novus Ordo. But if they were posessed, they couldn't "handle" holy water or the Blessed Sacrament. But if the Novus Ordo rites of orders aren't valid, then the Novus Ordo holy water and holy communion aren't valid, which would explain why the possessed aren't bothered by them.

I actually agree with him, or am tempted to-- but that's a circular argument and I certainly wouldn't present it to someone not yet convinced of the invalidity of the Novus Ordo rites (or, at least doubtfulness of them) as "proof." It's more an interesting after thought, these two likely hypotheses working in consort with one another, rather than strict proof.

It was also very interesting what he had to say about the SSPX after the death of ABL. Sound familiar?

ITA re: the circular argument. A NOer could also say that they aren't bothered because they aren't "possessed".

SerpKerp · « **Reply #4 on:** June 06, 2014, 01:23:15 AM »

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It was interesting.

It was also very interesting what he had to say about the SSPX after the death of ABL. Sound familiar?

If any body knows any priests who were in the seminary at that time I wonder if his story in the SSPX checks out.

Quasimodo · « **Reply #5 on:** June 06, 2014, 07:45:46 AM »

I thought it was strange that after being an SSPX seminarian he would go to a diocesan TLM after he was kicked out of the SSPX chapels.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #6 on:** June 06, 2014, 08:56:08 AM »

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Quote from: Mithrandylan
It was interesting.

It was also very interesting what he had to say about the SSPX after the death of ABL. Sound familiar?

If any body knows any priests who were in the seminary at that time I wonder if his story in the SSPX checks out.

I haven't listened to the audio yet, but I knew John Thompson when I was at Winona.

SerpKerp · « **Reply #7 on:** June 06, 2014, 10:01:45 AM »

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Quote from: SerpKerp
Quote from: Mithrandylan
It was interesting.

It was also very interesting what he had to say about the SSPX after the death of ABL. Sound familiar?

If any body knows any priests who were in the seminary at that time I wonder if his story in the SSPX checks out.

I haven't listened to the audio yet, but I knew John Thompson when I was at Winona.

Did he get kicked out for being an independent thinker?

Ladislaus · « **Reply #8 on:** June 06, 2014, 10:43:14 AM »

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Quote from: SerpKerp
Quote from: Mithrandylan
It was interesting.

It was also very interesting what he had to say about the SSPX after the death of ABL. Sound familiar?

If any body knows any priests who were in the seminary at that time I wonder if his story in the SSPX checks out.

I haven't listened to the audio yet, but I knew John Thompson when I was at Winona.

Did he get kicked out for being an independent thinker?

Well, they usually kept the reason for why someone was kicked out hush-hush, but it would not have been unusual to silence someone who thought too independently of the SSPX position du jour; they would never characterize it that way, however, but would spin it as "intellectual pride" or some other spiritual failing. John Thompson is an honest man, so if he says that he was kicked out for those reasons, then I would probably be inclined to believe him. I know that my brother was kicked out for being a free-thinker, and in particular because he opposed a certain Father Carlos Urrutigoity.

2Vermont · « **Reply #9 on:** June 06, 2014, 05:16:45 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

Quote from: SerpKerp
Quote from: Ladislaus
Quote from: SerpKerp
Quote from: Mithrandylan
It was interesting.

It was also very interesting what he had to say about the SSPX after the death of ABL. Sound familiar?

If any body knows any priests who were in the seminary at that time I wonder if his story in the SSPX checks out.

I haven't listened to the audio yet, but I knew John Thompson when I was at Winona.

Did he get kicked out for being an independent thinker?

Well, they usually kept the reason for why someone was kicked out hush-hush, but it would not have been unusual to silence someone who thought too independently of the SSPX position du jour; they would never characterize it that way, however, but would spin it as "intellectual pride" or some other spiritual failing. John Thompson is an honest man, so if he says that he was kicked out for those reasons, then I would probably be inclined to believe him. I know that my brother was kicked out for being a free-thinker, and in particular because he opposed a certain Father Carlos Urrutigoity.

Thanks for sharing this. He certainly comes across this way.

2Vermont · « **Reply #10 on:** June 06, 2014, 05:20:14 PM »

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I thought it was strange that after being an SSPX seminarian he would go to a diocesan TLM after he was kicked out of the SSPX chapels.

I don't know. I would imagine that at that point he didn't know what or who to believe or where to go.

Mithrandylan · « **Reply #11 on:** June 06, 2014, 05:55:26 PM »

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Quote from: Quasimodo
I thought it was strange that after being an SSPX seminarian he would go to a diocesan TLM after he was kicked out of the SSPX chapels.

I don't know. I would imagine that at that point he didn't know what or who to believe or where to go.

I got the impression he just wanted the Latin Mass and was sick of all the politics. So he went where he could get it, and on learning the serious problems with the new rites of orders, left it.