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Author Topic: True or False - Cincinnati OH has more Mass options than anywhere else  (Read 3478 times)

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Offline Matthew

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You don't really know why Fr Cekada (and others) were against sedevacantists assisting at una cuм masses.  Maybe he really believed it was sinful to assist at a mass which included Jorge Bergoglio with "all other true believers of the Catholic Faith". I am not of the same mind, but maybe we shouldn't assume malice on his part. That might be an issue when it comes time to meet our eternal reward.

Can we assume a heresiarch is malicious? That's a good question. What if a heresiarch truly believes in his heresy as the truth? Is it possible to be a heresiarch of good will? I guess I never considered that.

All I know is, the FRUITS of Fr. Cekada's novel heresy are all rotten -- so you're right, I'm presuming a bit that he knew what he was doing and did it with malice so he could get more people, money, etc.

Maybe it's a "moral certainty" thing -- I don't know with absolute certainty, but I know enough to act on.

But maybe the true answer is: it's not about Fr. Cekada one way or the other. He's the author of the error, yes, but the error must be fought regardless of whether Fr. Cekada personally saved his soul or not. Maybe I'm making this too personal. Then again, it's hard to fight Lutheranism without ever mentioning Martin Luther (and his private motivations which caused him to invent the heresies in the first place) or to fight Calvinism without mentioning John Calvin.

Let's just say that IF Fr. Cekada saved his soul, he's probably very anxious for me to help expunge this error, as his Purgatory length depends on it! I'm helping to undo and limit the damage, as it were. So let's say I'm Fr. Cekada's best friend in a way.

Online Ladislaus

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Cleveland/Akron area (all within a one-hour drive from me):

Tridentine (Traditional) --
St. Peregrine (SSPX) -- Richfield, OH
Immaculate Heart of Mary (SSPX-aligned) -- Akron, OH
Sacred Heart of Jesus (CMRI) -- Akron, OH
St. Therese of the Child Jesus (SSPV) -- Parma, OH
Our Lady of Sorrows (SSPX) -- Girard, OH
** Immaculate Heart of Mary and Sacred Heart have regular daily Masses, but the others are mostly weekend and Holy Days, but I believe the plan is to build a priory at St. Peregrine (Richfield, OH ... halfway between Akron and Cleveland).  Father Carley of Immaculate Heart is closing in on being 90 years of age, and SSPX asked him to contribute to the new priory, as I think the intention would be to have the priests at the Richfield priory.  IMO, there's a very high probability that SSPX will close IHM after Father Carley is unable to function, sell the property, and tell everyone to go to St. Peregrine in Richfield.

Tridentine (Motu) -- (Cleveland bishop has ignored Bergoglio's demands to shut them down, as these are all at parish churches except the FSSP)
Queen of the Holy Rosary (FSSP) -- Vienna, OH (daily Mass + several preists)
St. Paul -- Akron, OH
St. Sebastian -- Akron, OH
Immaculate Conception -- Cleveland, OH
St. Stephen -- Cleveland, OH
St. Rocco -- Cleveland, OH
St. Ignatius of Antioch -- Cleveland, OH
Mary, Queen of Peace -- Cleveland, OH
St. Elizabeth of Hungary (weekday only) -- Cleveland, OH
Immaculate Conception (weekday only) -- Willoughby, OH
Sacred Heart of Jesus (first Saturday and first Sunday only) -- South Euclid, OH

Eastern Rite -- about 15 or so within an hour of where I live (Ukrainian, Byzantine/Ruthenian, Melkite, and Maronite ... with Maronite being very modernized, the rest mostly OK)


Can we assume a heresiarch is malicious? That's a good question. What if a heresiarch truly believes in his heresy as the truth? Is it possible to be a heresiarch of good will? I guess I never considered that.

All I know is, the FRUITS of Fr. Cekada's novel heresy are all rotten -- so you're right, I'm presuming a bit that he knew what he was doing and did it with malice so he could get more people, money, etc.

Maybe it's a "moral certainty" thing -- I don't know with absolute certainty, but I know enough to act on.

But maybe the true answer is: it's not about Fr. Cekada one way or the other. He's the author of the error, yes, but the error must be fought regardless of whether Fr. Cekada personally saved his soul or not. Maybe I'm making this too personal. Then again, it's hard to fight Lutheranism without ever mentioning Martin Luther (and his private motivations which caused him to invent the heresies in the first place) or to fight Calvinism without mentioning John Calvin.

Let's just say that IF Fr. Cekada saved his soul, he's probably very anxious for me to help expunge this error, as his Purgatory length depends on it! I'm helping to undo and limit the damage, as it were. So let's say I'm Fr. Cekada's best friend in a way.
But only you (and others) have condemned it as an error.  Not the Church. We've never been in this situation before, not even during the Great Western Schism when all anti-popes believed and professed the Catholic Faith.  The anti-una cuм position is not analogous with Lutheranism or Calvinism. And Fr Cekada is not Martin Luther nor John Calvin.  No matter how much some folks would like to think so.

As for your last statement, that's quite presumptuous on your part.  Since when does God give us specific jobs to reduce anyone's time in Purgatory (other than praying for them)?


Offline Matthew

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But only you (and others) have condemned it as an error.  Not the Church. We've never been in this situation before, not even during the Great Western Schism when all anti-popes believed and professed the Catholic Faith.

That's my point. We're all doing our best during this Crisis in the Church, and self-serving priests like Fr. Cekada are causing needless division and lack-of-Sacraments by their novel teachings, which have no basis in Church teaching (never seen before) in anything before Vatican II.

Can he (or any of his followers) show where the Church ever taught (before Vatican II) that it could EVER be a priest's job to forbid the Faithful from attending 99% of Mass options? Options whose fruits are good -- we're talking about the Tridentine Mass here. This priest is basically playing "pope", declaring excommuniations of the majority of Catholics and priests, and putting whole areas of the country under Interdict. He is taking personal opinion(s) and elevating them to the level of Catholic Dogma AND taking punitive action (excommunications) accordingly. You're saying I can't condemn that? Too bad, I'm going to.

I don't care WHO does that. What group they are with. They would be wrong.

Yes, there is plenty of latitude for "how we will deal with the Crisis in the Church" -- but that latitude does NOT include taking away latitude from all Catholics and saying "you must come HERE! Here! for Mass. Nowhere else!"

Yes, I'm going to go ahead and condemn that as erroneous. I don't care if he was of bad will or good will in concocting that (objectively) self-serving scheme. The fact is, it is destructive of the Faith, destructive of souls (both sede and non-sede) and Our Lord said to judge by the fruits, as well as judge "just judgment" not according to mere appearances.

Fr. Cekada did a bad deed for the Church with his "novel idea". He went too far. He probably fell for the very human temptation to eliminate the competition and thus allow for more people/money/consolations for himself. God has judged his soul, as is His sovereign right -- but WE CAN, WILL, AND SHOULD JUDGE the error he taught. Non-judgment only goes for people. We can all point out an error that goes against the Faith when we see it.

The idea that literally "anything goes" as long as the Church hasn't formally condemned it is ridiculous -- I'm sure that notion is condemned by the Church somewhere.

And call me what you will, but "Fr. Cekada is the sole saviour of the Catholic Faith, he is the Moses who will lead us through this Crisis, he alone speaks/knows the truth, Catholics during the first 20 years of the Crisis didn't know how to please God, and thus it's Fr. Cekada's way or the highway" CANNOT be the truth. Whatever religion or cult requires assent to such an asinine idea, COUNT ME OUT.

Offline Stubborn

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But only you (and others) have condemned it as an error.  Not the Church. We've never been in this situation before, not even during the Great Western Schism when all anti-popes believed and professed the Catholic Faith. 
Sorry 2V but yes, the Church in fact does formally condemn, "for whatever reason," the omitting of the name of the pope in the Canon of the Mass in Ex Quo. What sedes have done, is convince themselves that their reason for omitting his name anyway, does not fall into the Church's meaning of "whatever reason."