I just want to make sure I'm right about this. I remember reading on CI about all the Mass options in Cincinnati, OH.
It could easily be possible that other places have almost as many, or AS many -- but not more.

Not talking about # of Trad Catholics either -- I'm strictly talking about # of Traditional Mass OPTIONS.

So is the statement true: "Cincinnati OH has more Mass options than anywhere else in the USA"?

Could someone list the options in Cincinnati -- and then anyone else chime in with places that have more options, if they exist?

I'm just curious. Because it wouldn't change anything really -- even if other places had 6 options and Cincinnati only had 5, for example, it would still explain why Fr. Cekada dreamed up his heresy that "you can't attend a Mass una cuм an antipope without mortal sin". Fr. C still faced great competition in the Trad Chapel department, and he devised his novel doctrine to deal with that competition.

P.S. This thread will also serve an additional purpose: young or middle aged people looking to move can see where Mass is available -- I get questions all the time about Mass options. So this thread isn't just for the sake of idle curiosity.

Old St. Marys in Cincinnati (the priests also offer Latin Mass at Sacred Heart, too).
Immaculate Conception Church in Norwood (a good 9-10miles from each other).

Our Lady of Lourdes in Park Hills, KY. 3miles from Cinci. These priests offer Mass also in Union KY.

Can’t say Cincinnati has the most options in the USA for the Latin Mass, but I will say that it is definitely available in this area! 

There are other Mass options outside of Cincinnati (a few that I named) but there are options even a few hours away from Cincinnati, if that counts. Such as: St Benedict’s and Our Lady of the Pillar in Louisville, St Gertrude’s in Wester Chester Township OH, Holy Family Catholic Church in Dayton, or even Immaculate Heart of Mary in Akron OH. 

Cleveland/Akron area (all within a one-hour drive from me):

Tridentine (Traditional) --
St. Peregrine (SSPX) -- Richfield, OH
Immaculate Heart of Mary (SSPX-aligned) -- Akron, OH
Sacred Heart of Jesus (CMRI) -- Akron, OH
St. Therese of the Child Jesus (SSPV) -- Parma, OH
Our Lady of Sorrows (SSPX) -- Girard, OH
** Immaculate Heart of Mary and Sacred Heart have regular daily Masses, but the others are mostly weekend and Holy Days, but I believe the plan is to build a priory at St. Peregrine (Richfield, OH ... halfway between Akron and Cleveland).  Father Carley of Immaculate Heart is closing in on being 90 years of age, and SSPX asked him to contribute to the new priory, as I think the intention would be to have the priests at the Richfield priory.  IMO, there's a very high probability that SSPX will close IHM after Father Carley is unable to function, sell the property, and tell everyone to go to St. Peregrine in Richfield.

Tridentine (Motu) -- (Cleveland bishop has ignored Bergoglio's demands to shut them down, as these are all at parish churches except the FSSP)
Queen of the Holy Rosary (FSSP) -- Vienna, OH (daily Mass + several preists)
St. Paul -- Akron, OH
St. Sebastian -- Akron, OH
Immaculate Conception -- Cleveland, OH
St. Stephen -- Cleveland, OH
St. Rocco -- Cleveland, OH
St. Ignatius of Antioch -- Cleveland, OH
Mary, Queen of Peace -- Cleveland, OH
St. Elizabeth of Hungary (weekday only) -- Cleveland, OH
Immaculate Conception (weekday only) -- Willoughby, OH
Sacred Heart of Jesus (first Saturday and first Sunday only) -- South Euclid, OH

Eastern Rite -- about 15 or so within an hour of where I live (Ukrainian, Byzantine/Ruthenian, Melkite, and Maronite ... with Maronite being very modernized, the rest mostly OK)

But only you (and others) have condemned it as an error.  Not the Church. We've never been in this situation before, not even during the Great Western Schism when all anti-popes believed and professed the Catholic Faith.

That's my point. We're all doing our best during this Crisis in the Church, and self-serving priests like Fr. Cekada are causing needless division and lack-of-Sacraments by their novel teachings, which have no basis in Church teaching (never seen before) in anything before Vatican II.

Can he (or any of his followers) show where the Church ever taught (before Vatican II) that it could EVER be a priest's job to forbid the Faithful from attending 99% of Mass options? Options whose fruits are good -- we're talking about the Tridentine Mass here. This priest is basically playing "pope", declaring excommuniations of the majority of Catholics and priests, and putting whole areas of the country under Interdict. He is taking personal opinion(s) and elevating them to the level of Catholic Dogma AND taking punitive action (excommunications) accordingly. You're saying I can't condemn that? Too bad, I'm going to.

I don't care WHO does that. What group they are with. They would be wrong.

Yes, there is plenty of latitude for "how we will deal with the Crisis in the Church" -- but that latitude does NOT include taking away latitude from all Catholics and saying "you must come HERE! Here! for Mass. Nowhere else!"

Yes, I'm going to go ahead and condemn that as erroneous. I don't care if he was of bad will or good will in concocting that (objectively) self-serving scheme. The fact is, it is destructive of the Faith, destructive of souls (both sede and non-sede) and Our Lord said to judge by the fruits, as well as judge "just judgment" not according to mere appearances.

Fr. Cekada did a bad deed for the Church with his "novel idea". He went too far. He probably fell for the very human temptation to eliminate the competition and thus allow for more people/money/consolations for himself. God has judged his soul, as is His sovereign right -- but WE CAN, WILL, AND SHOULD JUDGE the error he taught. Non-judgment only goes for people. We can all point out an error that goes against the Faith when we see it.

The idea that literally "anything goes" as long as the Church hasn't formally condemned it is ridiculous -- I'm sure that notion is condemned by the Church somewhere.

And call me what you will, but "Fr. Cekada is the sole saviour of the Catholic Faith, he is the Moses who will lead us through this Crisis, he alone speaks/knows the truth, Catholics during the first 20 years of the Crisis didn't know how to please God, and thus it's Fr. Cekada's way or the highway" CANNOT be the truth. Whatever religion or cult requires assent to such an asinine idea, COUNT ME OUT.

That's my point. We're all doing our best during this Crisis in the Church, and self-serving priests like Fr. Cekada are causing needless division and lack-of-Sacraments by their novel teachings, which have no basis in Church teaching (never seen before) in anything before Vatican II.

Yes, there is plenty of latitude for "how we will deal with the Crisis in the Church" -- but that latitude does NOT include taking away latitude from all Catholics and saying "you must come HERE! Here! for Mass. Nowhere else!"

Yes, I'm going to go ahead and condemn that as erroneous. I don't care if he was of bad will or good will in concocting that (objectively) self-serving scheme. The fact is, it is destructive of the Faith, destructive of souls (both sede and non-sede) and Our Lord said to judge by the fruits, as well as judge "just judgment" not according to mere appearances.

Fr. Cekada did a bad deed for the Church with his "novel idea". He went too far. He probably fell for the very human temptation to eliminate the competition and thus allow for more people/money/consolations for himself. God will judge -- but WE CAN, WILL, AND SHOULD JUDGE the error he taught. Non-judgment only goes for people. We can all point out an error that goes against the Faith when we see it.

"Objectively self-serving scheme"?  That is purely a subjective judgment on your part. 

I'm not convinced the anti-una cuм position is true or an error.  Just because the Church has never had to deal with a similar situation doesn't mean it's an error. 

Who's to say that assisting at a mass una cuм a heretic "pope" for decades is not a danger to one's soul?  Where are the "fruits" of the una cuм SSPX? Perhaps doing so for decades tends towards eventual compromise with the Devil.

I'll go next --

San Antonio, TX (10th largest city in the USA), within a 1.5 hour drive of the city center:

St. Joseph's Chapel (weekly Mass plus Holy Days), San Antonio (SSPX)
St. Dominic's Chapel (monthly Mass), Seguin (Resistance)
St. Timothy Catholic Church, San Antonio (Indult)
-end of list-

Nearest Sedevacantist or Independent chapel of any size: 3.75 hours away outside Houston, "St. Jude's"
All Eastern Rites: none
FSSP: none
Institute of Christ the King: none
SSPV: none
CMRI: none
Pfeifferites: none
Dolan/Cekada associated sedes: none


See why I am impressed by the variety in Cincinnati, OH?

I'm going to have to say that I have to doubt that any Traditional Catholic priest would consciously and deliberately invent a theology with the thought, "Let me see if I can make up or twist some theological principles to ensure that more people come to my chapel."  At best, that might be a subconscious motivating factor that the priest isn't completely aware of. Even Bishop Kelly's, "We can't say the +Thuc bishops are valid, because then people might go there." was related more to the fact that they considered the CMRI to be an Old Catholic sect and didn't want people going there for that reason.

I understand the logic of the "una cuм" position, so it's not entirely outlandish.  But the problem is that it makes no distinctions and views everything in black and white terms.  "una cuм" is meant to be a profession of being Catholic, but material error regarding the identity of the pope does not undermine the formal intent to be united with the Catholic Church.  Was it forbidden to assist at Masses offered by St. Vincent Ferrer, who undoubtedly put the name of the Antipope he mistakenly followed with the una cuм?  Was St. Vincent Ferrer a schismatic because he erred regarding the identity of the pope.  What about during those times when news didn't travel fast?  Would I be forbidden to assist at the Mass of a priest who still thought that the previous pope was alive (though he had passed away) just because he hadn't gotten word of it yet?  There's nothing magical about the "una cuм" form, that if you say it like an incantatation, the Mass becomes pleasing to God.  Someone can be in material error and it doesn't make attending the Mass somehow sacrilegeous or schismatic.  There's no one here putting the name of Kirill or the Coptic Orthodox "Pope" into the Canon and thereby professing adherence to a false religion.  Even the Dimonds presented some solid research that the Church has permitted assisting at the Masses of various priests who were basically in schism.

Thank you to first bolded.

Second bolded: Not analogous.  Anti-popes were Catholic.