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Offline parentsfortruth

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True catholics dont use words and phrases like you do...
« on: December 07, 2010, 03:58:46 PM »
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  • Saint Thomas More regarding Martin Luther:

    "Luther is a person in whose pen there is nothing but calumnies, lies and deceptions; in whose spirit there is nothing but venom, bombast and ill will; who conceives nothing in his mind but folly, madness, and insanity; who has nothing in his mouth but privies, filth and dung .... But if he proceeds to play the buffoon in the manner in which he has begun, and to rave madly, if he proceeds to rage with calumny, to mouth trifling nonsense, to act like a raging madman, to make sport with buffoonery, and to carry nothing in his mouth but bilge-water, sewers, privies, filth and dung, then let others do what they will; we will take timely counsel, whether we wish to deal with the fellow thus ranting according to his virtue and to paint with his colors, or to leave this mad friarlet and privy-minded rascal with his ragings and ravings, with his filth and dung, shitting and beshitted."

     :laugh1:   :laugh2:   :roll-laugh2:   :roll-laugh1:  :applause:  :shocked:  :pop:
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

    My Avatar is Fr. Hector Bolduc. He was a faithful parish priest in De Pere, WI,


    Offline GregorianChat

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    True catholics dont use words and phrases like you do...
    « Reply #1 on: December 07, 2010, 05:18:58 PM »
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  • I was looking forward to this post that you mentioned elsewhere. I just looked this up, very interesting. One correction though, it is Saint Thomas More not Saint Thomas Aquinas.
    2 Thessalonians 2:14 Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle.

    Galatians Chapter 1:8-9 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a


    Offline parentsfortruth

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    « Reply #2 on: December 07, 2010, 05:37:14 PM »
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  •  :facepalm:

    Yes, you are right!!! SORRY!

     :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

     :plant:
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

    My Avatar is Fr. Hector Bolduc. He was a faithful parish priest in De Pere, WI,

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    « Reply #3 on: December 07, 2010, 07:33:12 PM »
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  •   :laugh1: Thomas, whatever... :laugh1:

    but colorful manner of speaking he had!

    (seriously thanks for the quotes)

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    « Reply #4 on: December 08, 2010, 10:22:09 PM »
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  • I think the great St. Thomas More chewing out the arch-heretic and Satan's own son, Martin Luther, is on a whole different level than a poster on a Catholic Internet forum flinging around profanity at another poster over a disagreement on economics or canon law.

    Or are St. Paul's comments to the Ephesians not to be taken seriously?

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    But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not so much as be named among you, as becometh saints: [4] Or obscenity, or foolish talking, or scurrility, which is to no purpose; but rather giving of thanks. [5] For know you this and understand, that no fornicator, or unclean, or covetous person (which is a serving of idols), hath inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.


    from http://drbo.org/chapter/56005.htm
    St. Jude, who, disregarding the threats of the impious, courageously preached the doctrine of Christ,
    pray for us.


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    « Reply #5 on: December 09, 2010, 08:01:47 AM »
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  • Mere vulgarity and actual obscenity are TWO things -- thus, two different words.  Profanity is using a sacred word (the Holy Name of Jesus, for example) in a way that is...PROFANE  :)

    Take all admonitions from God and His Saints seriously; just make sure they apply to the issue at hand.
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."

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    « Reply #6 on: December 09, 2010, 11:38:43 AM »
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  • Quote from: St Jude Thaddeus
    I think the great St. Thomas More chewing out the arch-heretic and Satan's own son, Martin Luther, is on a whole different level than a poster on a Catholic Internet forum flinging around profanity at another poster over a disagreement on economics or canon law.

    Or are St. Paul's comments to the Ephesians not to be taken seriously?

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    But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not so much as be named among you, as becometh saints: [4] Or obscenity, or foolish talking, or scurrility, which is to no purpose; but rather giving of thanks. [5] For know you this and understand, that no fornicator, or unclean, or covetous person (which is a serving of idols), hath inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.


    from http://drbo.org/chapter/56005.htm


    There had been rending of garments in the St. Mary's Kansas thread, due to my earthy description of someone.

    The irony is that I think you may have also used this term, but in your case there was no rending of garments.


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    « Reply #7 on: December 10, 2010, 10:09:12 PM »
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  • Quote from: Elizabeth
    Quote from: St Jude Thaddeus
    I think the great St. Thomas More chewing out the arch-heretic and Satan's own son, Martin Luther, is on a whole different level than a poster on a Catholic Internet forum flinging around profanity at another poster over a disagreement on economics or canon law.

    Or are St. Paul's comments to the Ephesians not to be taken seriously?

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    But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not so much as be named among you, as becometh saints: [4] Or obscenity, or foolish talking, or scurrility, which is to no purpose; but rather giving of thanks. [5] For know you this and understand, that no fornicator, or unclean, or covetous person (which is a serving of idols), hath inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.


    from http://drbo.org/chapter/56005.htm


    There had been rending of garments in the St. Mary's Kansas thread, due to my earthy description of someone.

    The irony is that I think you may have also used this term, but in your case there was no rending of garments.



    To tell you the truth, I dont know why there was such a fuss. I consider it a descriptive term, not necessarily an insult. I mean why not mark the term 'lowlife' as an insult? It's why Im not afraid to use the N* word, (ironically Im usually referring to middle-class white suburbanites when I use it, not blacks). Trash is trash and scuм is scuм... there shouldnt be any dispute about it. But if we're going to call eachother bastards or #/#'s, then that's another matter.
    "Louvada Siesa O' Sanctisimo Sacramento!"~warcry of the Amakusa/Shimabara rebels

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    « Reply #8 on: September 08, 2011, 09:44:35 AM »
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  • Bumping for the sake of arguing the sinful/non-sinful nature of vulgarity.

    Discuss if you are so inclined.

    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

    My Avatar is Fr. Hector Bolduc. He was a faithful parish priest in De Pere, WI,

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    « Reply #9 on: September 08, 2011, 10:52:55 AM »
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  • Saints are not sinless, so quoting St. Thomas does not mean his speech was not sinful.  That being said, using vulgar terms are usually only venial sins.  That does not mean that they are proper for civil conversation.  Our society has degraded to the point that swearing is considered manly.  Women also take pride in their vulgar speech.

    If you are in a bar, I think the offense is less.  If you are in mixed company or on a forum accessible to children, I believe vulgar speech is both uncalled for and inappropriate.

    References to impurity are more serious.  Since they can bring to mind in the reader/hearer things that lead to impure thoughts.  

    With respect to the language used on hear, I viewed the vulgarities as indicative of immaturity.  I think the more serious offense was the references to porn and porn actors.


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    « Reply #10 on: September 08, 2011, 11:09:23 AM »
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  • While you are welcome to your opinion about the sinfulness of vulgarity, in and of itself, your opinion is both wrong and at variance with what moral theologians have said on the matter.  I do not offer that as a defense or excuse, but because it is the truth.  Cheerio :)
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    « Reply #11 on: September 08, 2011, 12:04:27 PM »
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  • Quote from: gunfighter
    Saints are not sinless, so quoting St. Thomas does not mean his speech was not sinful. That being said, using vulgar terms are usually only venial sins. That does not mean that they are proper for civil conversation.


    Venial sins are NEVER proper in any situation, regardless of the audience and setting. I think you need to do some research on this question as you appear to be giving us your entirely uniformed opinion.
    It would be comparatively easy for us to be holy if only we could always see the character of our neighbours either in soft shade or with the kindly deceits of moonlight upon them. Of course, we are not to grow blind to evil

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    « Reply #12 on: September 08, 2011, 02:48:20 PM »
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  • Quote from: SJB
    Quote from: gunfighter
    Saints are not sinless, so quoting St. Thomas does not mean his speech was not sinful. That being said, using vulgar terms are usually only venial sins. That does not mean that they are proper for civil conversation.


    Venial sins are NEVER proper in any situation, regardless of the audience and setting. I think you need to do some research on this question as you appear to be giving us your entirely uniformed opinion.


    The operative term was "usually."

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    « Reply #13 on: September 08, 2011, 03:40:27 PM »
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  • That changes nothing, Ignorant One, as the use of vulgarity, in and of itself, is "USUALLY"...

    no sin at all.  Does this compute?

    Look, this is not a big deal, but you are just wrong.  It happens to all of us from time to time...
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."

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    « Reply #14 on: September 08, 2011, 03:45:05 PM »
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  • With all due respect, I do not consider you the authority on moral theology.  When I get a chance, I will check a source I trust.  If I am wrong, I will correct myself.

    Notwithstanding, Mr. SJB, the catechism teacher, was commenting on venial sins.  He twisted my statement to imply I advocate venial sins.  I was simply correcting him on his error in comprehension.