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Offline ServusInutilisDomini

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Re: Dimond v. Cassman debate (Sep 20, 2022)
« Reply #15 on: October 09, 2022, 05:57:37 AM »
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    • Quote from: Geremia on October 08, 2022, 10:07:19 PM
    The recent is quite good. Cassman is better than Fastiggi (of the Sanborn vs. Fastiggi debate from years ago), but I think Sungenis (of the Lane vs. Sungenis debate) is better than Cassman.
    Sungenis certainly made a more solid showing but his antics about leaving the debate due to "insults" makes me puke.
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    Re: Dimond v. Cassman debate (Sep 20, 2022)
    « Reply #16 on: October 09, 2022, 07:32:34 AM »
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    • Quote from: ServusInutilisDomini on October 09, 2022, 05:57:37 AM
    Sungenis certainly made a more solid showing but his antics about leaving the debate due to "insults" makes me puke.

    I’ve listened to the debate many times and it seems obvious to me that Sungenis got destroyed. No doubt John made some mistakes, but Sungenis was way out of his league. He made claims that were unsupported and when asked for references he had no alternative but to act like an adolescent who didn’t get his way.
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    Re: Trent Horn refuted by Bro. Peter on the Catholic Church [video]
    « Reply #17 on: October 09, 2022, 07:43:36 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on October 08, 2022, 06:09:44 PM
    Yes, I've been pointing out that for going on about a year now, they've been much more "mellow," i.e. gentle and soft-spoken, and it's refreshing to see.  
    Heh, I think we all generally get more mellow as we grow older.  Looks like the Dimond Brothers are no different. 
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    Re: Dimond v. Cassman debate (Sep 20, 2022)
    « Reply #18 on: October 09, 2022, 09:41:34 AM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on October 09, 2022, 07:32:34 AM
    I’ve listened to the debate many times and it seems obvious to me that Sungenis got destroyed. No doubt John made some mistakes, but Sungenis was way out of his league. He made claims that were unsupported and when asked for references he had no alternative but to act like an adolescent who didn’t get his way.
    Certainly. I only listened once so I don't remember much but I know Sungenis' modus operandi is denying reality, that is trying to explain away obvious heresies. Also, Lane could've done better by insisting on his stronger points more which Sungenis avoided. Instead he debunked his genesis analogy which was kind of a useless side track.
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    Re: Trent Horn refuted by Bro. Peter on the Catholic Church [video]
    « Reply #19 on: October 09, 2022, 11:37:43 AM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on October 09, 2022, 07:43:36 AM
    Heh, I think we all generally get more mellow as we grow older.  Looks like the Dimond Brothers are no different.
    That's true, those guys are in their fifties now I think.
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    Re: Trent Horn refuted by Bro. Peter on the Catholic Church [video]
    « Reply #20 on: October 09, 2022, 02:16:03 PM »
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    • Quote from: Marius on October 08, 2022, 06:04:37 PM
    It's funny how poorly that debate went for the VII sect, all of their apologists have been busy doing damage control ever since, rather poorly I might add. That it was even organized tells how bad things must be getting over there. Between the neo-SSPX all but embracing the Vatican as it is and Bergoglio openly spreading heresy daily void shame, the reality of Vatican II being a new religion that cannot be interpreted "in light of tradition" is inescapable for all but the most obstinate.

    Bro. Peter was more mellow in that video than older ones from what I could tell, which is a positive development.
    I like the older videos.  It's a wake up call.  I've never known a father who would remain calm when his son is smashing windows right in front of him.  Sometimes you need to take a hard line.  But not everyone looks at it like that.  So whatever works best to help people understand the issue is good.  Maybe sometimes you need to take a more congenial line.  Whatever the situation calls for.
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    Re: Dimond v. Cassman debate (Sep 20, 2022)
    « Reply #21 on: October 09, 2022, 02:19:09 PM »
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    • Quote from: Geremia on October 08, 2022, 10:07:19 PM
    The recent is quite good. Cassman is better than Fastiggi (of the Sanborn vs. Fastiggi debate from years ago), but I think Sungenis (of the Lane vs. Sungenis debate) is better than Cassman.
    Sometimes the debate loser can make the debate winner look better than he really is.
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    Re: Trent Horn refuted by Bro. Peter on the Catholic Church [video]
    « Reply #22 on: October 09, 2022, 05:44:32 PM »
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    • Finally got a chance to watch the video in the OP.  Yes, very good.  

    I have to admit that, given I had NO IDEA who Trent Horn was, when I saw "Trent" in the thread title I thought this was about the Council of Trent! :laugh1:
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    Re: Trent Horn refuted by Bro. Peter on the Catholic Church [video]
    « Reply #23 on: October 09, 2022, 07:06:23 PM »
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    • Quote from: Clemens Maria on October 09, 2022, 02:16:03 PM
    So whatever works best to help people understand the issue is good.  Maybe sometimes you need to take a more congenial line.  Whatever the situation calls for.

    I disagree.  Their tone, in the past, was so off-putting to so many people that they will refuse to even listen to the substance of what they're saying.  This is different than a father or mother in the home.  Here someone can just click the "close" button.

    I think that it's important for them to call heresy heresy ... but the TONE doesn't have to be so bitter.
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    Re: Trent Horn refuted by Bro. Peter on the Catholic Church [video]
    « Reply #24 on: October 09, 2022, 07:16:28 PM »
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    • Brother Peter does say in the original video that "perhaps" this crisis will last 70 years, just like the Babylonian captivity.  If you start from Roncalli, 70 years would put us right around 1928/1929 ... which is what I've long felt the timeline would be.  Our Lady asked for the Consecration of Russia on June 13, 1929.  Later, Our Lord complainied that the Popes are following the example of the Kings of France, who, when asked to consecrate France to the Sacred Heart of Jesus, likewise refused to comply, and were deposed 100 years later TO THE DAY from when the request was made.  So I feel that things will start to unravel beginning on June 13, 1929 (about 70 years after establishment of the Antichurch).
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    Re: Trent Horn refuted by Bro. Peter on the Catholic Church [video]
    « Reply #25 on: October 09, 2022, 07:42:36 PM »
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    • Lad..I think you meant 2028 not 1928 right?😁
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    Re: Trent Horn refuted by Bro. Peter on the Catholic Church [video]
    « Reply #26 on: October 09, 2022, 08:27:01 PM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on October 09, 2022, 07:42:36 PM
    Lad..I think you meant 2028 not 1928 right?😁

    Yes, of course.  I would have preferred that this crisis ended in 1928, but, alas.
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    Re: Trent Horn refuted by Bro. Peter on the Catholic Church [video]
    « Reply #27 on: October 09, 2022, 09:10:32 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on October 09, 2022, 07:16:28 PM
    Brother Peter does say in the original video that "perhaps" this crisis will last 70 years, just like the Babylonian captivity.  If you start from Roncalli, 70 years would put us right around [2028/2029] ... which is what I've long felt the timeline would be.  Our Lady asked for the Consecration of Russia on June 13, 1929.  Later, Our Lord complainied that the Popes are following the example of the Kings of France, who, when asked to consecrate France to the Sacred Heart of Jesus, likewise refused to comply, and were deposed 100 years later TO THE DAY from when the request was made.  So I feel that things will start to unravel beginning on June 13, [2029] (about 70 years after establishment of the Antichurch).
    2029 is roughly the 2000 year anniversary of the beginning of Our Lord's public ministry.  About 3 years later will be the 2000 year anniversary of His crucifixion, death and resurrection.  That time period is certainly a significant milestone.  And maybe it will be more than that.
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    Re: Trent Horn refuted by Bro. Peter on the Catholic Church [video]
    « Reply #28 on: October 10, 2022, 09:50:23 AM »
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    • Can someone verify that Jeff Cassman represents the SSPX with their approval?  What are his qualifications for speaking for the Society--degrees, licenses, certifications?  He seemed to demand that information from Bro. Dimond.  Why did Mr. Cassman ask about Bro. Dimond's past and qualifications without full disclosure of his own?
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    Re: Trent Horn refuted by Bro. Peter on the Catholic Church [video]
    « Reply #29 on: October 10, 2022, 03:00:30 PM »
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    • Quote from: Texana on October 10, 2022, 09:50:23 AM
    Can someone verify that Jeff Cassman represents the SSPX with their approval?  What are his qualifications for speaking for the Society--degrees, licenses, certifications?  He seemed to demand that information from Bro. Dimond.  Why did Mr. Cassman ask about Bro. Dimond's past and qualifications without full disclosure of his own?
    I don't know if Cassman wants to reveal much about his past in light of being indicted for a ponzi scheme.
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