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Trent Horn refuted by Bro. Peter on the Catholic Church [video]
« on: October 08, 2022, 04:52:45 PM »
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    • I guess having a camera setup is the new format for Bro. Peter. This is good, it helps humanize him rather than allow people's imaginations go wild.

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    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Trent Horn refuted by Bro. Peter on the Catholic Church [video]
    « Reply #1 on: October 08, 2022, 05:16:38 PM »
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    • Quote from: DigitalLogos on October 08, 2022, 04:52:45 PM
    I guess having a camera setup is the new format for Bro. Peter. This is good, it helps humanize him rather than allow people's imaginations go wild.
    Good video, but don't the Feeneyite Dimond Bros. attend a Byzantine Catholic church?…
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    Re: Trent Horn refuted by Bro. Peter on the Catholic Church [video]
    « Reply #2 on: October 08, 2022, 05:22:50 PM »
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    • Quote from: Geremia on October 08, 2022, 05:16:38 PM
    Good video, but don't the Feeneyite Dimond Bros. attend a Byzantine Catholic church?…
    They are not Feeneyites. And I don't know.
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    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Trent Horn refuted by Bro. Peter on the Catholic Church [video]
    « Reply #3 on: October 08, 2022, 05:33:15 PM »
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    • Quote from: DigitalLogos on October 08, 2022, 05:22:50 PM
    They are not Feeneyites. And I don't know.

    I don't believe they still attend Eastern Byzantine.  They used to.  I think they have solid and well-articulated reasons that the una cuм dogmatic types are very much mistaken ... based on citation of historical precedent and the Holy See's judgment about those situations.
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    Re: Trent Horn refuted by Bro. Peter on the Catholic Church [video]
    « Reply #4 on: October 08, 2022, 05:43:00 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on October 08, 2022, 05:33:15 PM
    I don't believe they still attend Eastern Byzantine.  They used to.  I think they have solid and well-articulated reasons that the una cuм dogmatic types are very much mistaken ... based on citation of historical precedent and the Holy See's judgment about those situations.
    Yes, I know that they think it's okay if people attend a traditional Mass with valid priests, citing communion with undeclared heretics, but state that you should not support them financially and be aware of any possible heresies coming from the pulpit. 
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    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Trent Horn refuted by Bro. Peter on the Catholic Church [video]
    « Reply #5 on: October 08, 2022, 05:57:46 PM »
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    • So, I just watched it.  It was a very solid video, and I do agree that it's good to see him in that it does humanize him, vs. people having a caricature of him as some kind of robotic hurler of anathemas.

    I've said this before also about the Catholic Answers crew.  They are in fact solid on the vast majority of topics, but they fall flat on EENS every single time.  That should tell us something.  EENS-denial and the false V2 ecclesiology (and the two are inseparable) are in fact THE fundamental heresies of Vatican II, as Rahner admitted.  Rahner was actually surprised that the V2 EENS-rejection went largely unnoticed by the "conservative Fathers", that there was barely a peep out of them about it, when to him (and he was right), it was THE most revolutionary aspect of V2.  Yet we have so many Traditional Catholics similarly poisoned by these same errors, alas, even Archbishop Lefebvre himself, and they don't really "get" what V2 was all about.
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    Re: Trent Horn refuted by Bro. Peter on the Catholic Church [video]
    « Reply #6 on: October 08, 2022, 06:00:02 PM »
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    • Quote from: DigitalLogos on October 08, 2022, 05:43:00 PM
    Yes, I know that they think it's okay if people attend a traditional Mass with valid priests, citing communion with undeclared heretics, but state that you should not support them financially and be aware of any possible heresies coming from the pulpit.

    I was mostly responding to you on the "I don't know" part about their attending Byzantine Rite, and then the rest of that was a response to the implied criticism being made by the previous poster.
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    Re: Trent Horn refuted by Bro. Peter on the Catholic Church [video]
    « Reply #7 on: October 08, 2022, 06:02:10 PM »
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    • Quote from: DigitalLogos on October 08, 2022, 05:22:50 PM
    They are not Feeneyites.
    Their book Outside the Catholic Church There Is Absolutely No Salvation is not Feeneyite?
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    Re: Trent Horn refuted by Bro. Peter on the Catholic Church [video]
    « Reply #8 on: October 08, 2022, 06:04:37 PM »
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    • It's funny how poorly that debate went for the VII sect, all of their apologists have been busy doing damage control ever since, rather poorly I might add. That it was even organized tells how bad things must be getting over there. Between the neo-SSPX all but embracing the Vatican as it is and Bergoglio openly spreading heresy daily void shame, the reality of Vatican II being a new religion that cannot be interpreted "in light of tradition" is inescapable for all but the most obstinate.

    Bro. Peter was more mellow in that video than older ones from what I could tell, which is a positive development.
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    Re: Trent Horn refuted by Bro. Peter on the Catholic Church [video]
    « Reply #9 on: October 08, 2022, 06:06:16 PM »
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    • Quote from: Geremia on October 08, 2022, 06:02:10 PM
    Their book Outside the Catholic Church There Is Absolutely No Salvation is not Feeneyite?

    No.  There are some significant theological differences between the Dimonds' position and that of Father Feeney.

    There's a tendency to lump people into that group, with "Feeneyite" being a derogatory term of course, and even worse considering a literal understanding of EENS to be "Feeneyite" without any mention of Baptism of Desire.
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    Re: Trent Horn refuted by Bro. Peter on the Catholic Church [video]
    « Reply #10 on: October 08, 2022, 06:09:44 PM »
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    • Quote from: Marius on October 08, 2022, 06:04:37 PM
    Bro. Peter was more mellow in that video than older ones from what I could tell, which is a positive development.

    Yes, I've been pointing out that for going on about a year now, they've been much more "mellow," i.e. gentle and soft-spoken, and it's refreshing to see.  They've never been wrong about most of what they say, but their tone and attitude have been far too harsh and off-putting.

    I've also spoken of how they've been a bit careless about hurling the term "heresy" or "heretic" around, and in one video Brother Peter initially used the term heresy but then walked it back as "error".  Instead of excoriating Taylor Marshall as some evil, bad-willed, heretic, they called him out (correctly) as confused and in self-contradiction, a much more charitable approach.
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    Re: Trent Horn refuted by Bro. Peter on the Catholic Church [video]
    « Reply #11 on: October 08, 2022, 06:36:32 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on October 08, 2022, 06:06:16 PM
    No.  There are some significant theological differences between the Dimonds' position and that of Father Feeney.
    There's a tendency to lump people into that group, with "Feeneyite" being a derogatory term of course, and even worse considering a literal understanding of EENS to be "Feeneyite" without any mention of Baptism of Desire.
    Oh yes that's right; they deny BoD.
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    Re: Trent Horn refuted by Bro. Peter on the Catholic Church [video]
    « Reply #12 on: October 08, 2022, 07:30:29 PM »
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    • Quote from: Geremia on October 08, 2022, 06:36:32 PM
    Oh yes that's right; they deny BoD.

    Well, it depends on the semantics.  Both groups deny "BoD" that can save.  Father Feeney believes in a BoD that can justify but not save, but the Dimond Brothers to not accept a BoD that can even justify.
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    Re: Trent Horn refuted by Bro. Peter on the Catholic Church [video]
    « Reply #13 on: October 08, 2022, 08:46:03 PM »
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    • Another great video by Bro Peter. 
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    Dimond v. Cassman debate (Sep 20, 2022)
    « Reply #14 on: October 08, 2022, 10:07:19 PM »
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    • The recent is quite good. Cassman is better than Fastiggi (of the Sanborn vs. Fastiggi debate from years ago), but I think Sungenis (of the Lane vs. Sungenis debate) is better than Cassman.
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