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Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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Traditionally, priests could get marriedm
« on: June 04, 2023, 10:07:48 AM »
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    • Wasn’t St Patrick’s grandfather a priest?


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    Re: Traditionally, priests could get marriedm
    « Reply #1 on: June 04, 2023, 12:13:34 PM »
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    • The general practice was that if they were already married before ordination, they could be ordained, but if they were single during and after ordination then they could not marry after the fact.  St. Peter was also married.  Eventually they ruled that the split between married and priestly duties that they had to undertake was overwhelming and/or they would neglect one over the other hence the change.  There's a lot more to it than that but that was the general idea.  

    I think the Eastern Rite still allows the old way, where if they were married before ordination then they could still be ordained but not married after ordination if they were single.  
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    Re: Traditionally, priests could get marriedm
    « Reply #2 on: June 04, 2023, 02:34:21 PM »
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    • Clerical marriage is not traditional in the Latin Church as it is in the Eastern Churches, meaning it has not been done continually, generation after generation. However, it has been practiced historically in the west. For the last millennium it has been an exception to the norm. Currently, there are over 300 married Latin priests (assuming that Novus Ordo ordinations are valid), who are primarily former Anglican and Lutheran clergy. Most surprisingly, there was one married bishop at Vatican Council II--something very rare universally--and he was a Latin bishop, a former prelate of the Brazilian Apostolic Church.
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    Re: Traditionally, priests could get marriedm
    « Reply #3 on: June 04, 2023, 04:50:14 PM »
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    • Carlos Duarte-Costa? Brazilian, that group was excommunicated by Pope Pius XI 1937?  Why? because they made their own rules. Like: marriage, no confession needed, abolish the Rosary, oh, yeah, can't forget divorce which was also allowed.  

    If it was of this Brazilian group, that this Vatican II Bishop came from, well, you go figure!
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    Re: Traditionally, priests could get marriedm
    « Reply #4 on: June 04, 2023, 05:19:15 PM »
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    • Quote from: songbird on June 04, 2023, 04:50:14 PM
    Carlos Duarte-Costa? Brazilian, that group was excommunicated by Pope Pius XI 1937?  Why? because they made their own rules. Like: marriage, no confession needed, abolish the Rosary, oh, yeah, can't forget divorce which was also allowed. 

    If it was of this Brazilian group, that this Vatican II Bishop came from, well, you go figure!

    Yes, that was the Church founded by Duarte Costa.  While I hadn't heard of this bishop before, I would assume that he re-converted back to the Catholic Church.
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    Re: Traditionally, priests could get marriedm
    « Reply #5 on: June 04, 2023, 07:31:14 PM »
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    • Quote from: EWPJ on June 04, 2023, 12:13:34 PM
    The general practice was that if they were already married before ordination, they could be ordained, but if they were single during and after ordination then they could not marry after the fact.  St. Peter was also married.  Eventually they ruled that the split between married and priestly duties that they had to undertake was overwhelming and/or they would neglect one over the other hence the change.  There's a lot more to it than that but that was the general idea. 

    I think the Eastern Rite still allows the old way, where if they were married before ordination then they could still be ordained but not married after ordination if they were single. 
    Nor can they remarry if their wife dies or become a bishop. Those are appointed from the monasteries, I think.
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    Re: Traditionally, priests could get marriedm
    « Reply #6 on: June 04, 2023, 07:37:28 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on June 04, 2023, 05:19:15 PM
    Yes, that was the Church founded by Duarte Costa.  While I hadn't heard of this bishop before, I would assume that he re-converted back to the Catholic Church.
    Here is the married bishop. He had never been Roman Catholic prior to his reception into the Church. And being received as a bishop caused much consternation in the Curia.

    http://www.catholic-hierarchy.org/bishop//bferraz.html
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    Re: Traditionally, priests could get marriedm
    « Reply #7 on: June 04, 2023, 07:49:12 PM »
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    • Quote from: ElwinRansom1970 on June 04, 2023, 07:37:28 PM
    Here is the married bishop. He had never been Roman Catholic prior to his reception into the Church. And being received as a bishop caused much consternation in the Curia.

    http://www.catholic-hierarchy.org/bishop//bferraz.html

    Interesting.  Thank you.  So it would appear that Duarte Costa doubted his Anglican orders, because it would appear that he conditionally ordained him to the priesthood about a month prior to his consecration as a bishop (Ferraz had been ordained an Anglican priest in 1917).
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