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« on: October 30, 2013, 02:55:39 AM »
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  • The road leading to St. Peter’s Square was packed on Saturday morning: but not with the usual tourists or merchants. Instead, a long line of pilgrims processed along the street carrying candles and singing hymns.

    They were participants in an international pilgrimage to Rome celebrating the Extraordinary Form of the Mass made widely available by Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI in 2007.

    Bishop Fernando Areas Rifan of the Personal Apostolic Administration of Saint John Mary Vianney in Brazil spoke to CNA about his participation in the journey.

    “I am here for this pilgrimage to give my support and even the correct orientation of this pilgrimage. We are Catholics, united to the Holy See, with the blessing of the Holy Father, Francis,” he said Oct. 26.

    Saturday’s procession ended at the Altar of the Chair of St. Peter in St. Peter’s Basilica, where a Solemn Pontifical Mass was celebrated by Cardinal Dario Castrillon Hoyos of Columbia.

    An estimated 1,000 laity and religious from Italy, the US, France, Brazil, Switzerland, Germany and elsewhere joined in prayer as the incense rose to the ceiling of the ancient Basilica and the gospel was chanted in Latin.

    North Carolinian Noah Carter, who served as deacon, told CNA that it was a joy to be able to “experience things that are not a part of daily life, and benefit from the riches that go before us.”

    “I enjoy the ability to worship in the Extraordinary Form,” he said. “I think a lot of people can benefit from what the Church has benefitted from since the 600s – that’s 1500 years of the Mass that sanctified so many Christians.”

    Carter noted that the Extraordinary Form may not “be for everyone: some people don’t connect with that form of worship.”

    But in Carter’s home diocese of Charlotte, NC and elsewhere, interest in the older form of the Mass is growing.

    “I think young people don’t fit the ‘attack’ that is often made on most people who attend the extraordinary form. They are not nostalgic: they didn’t grow up with it,” he explained.

    “But it is a clear expression of Catholic culture: explicitly Catholic music, Catholic symbols, Catholic signs. There is no way to confuse it with something that is non-Catholic.”

    After growing up in a world that often identifies faith with social service, “the youth want to identify with something that shows clearly what it is to be Catholic.”

    Bishop Rifan expressed his belief that the ancient form of the Mass can contribute to the Church’s efforts at a new evangelization by providing “sense of mystery, this sense of (the) sacred. I think that the traditional Mass can help many souls – many priests, many faithful – in order to respect (the) Eucharist,” he said.

    Deacon Carter shared a similar hope: “the Extraordinary Form speaks, literally (because it is in Latin), and figuratively, a different language; and I think some people who need to can come back to faith through it.”

    Since often people have been driven away by abuses in the liturgy, Carter emphasized the need to celebrate both the Ordinary and Extraordinary Forms of the Mass in a reverent manner.

    In so doing, the Church “will allow people to come back in different ways.” The two forms of the Mass, according to Carter, act as “two sides to the same coin: a very strong part of the new evangelization that will allow people to enter into the public life of the liturgy in different ways."

    This weekend’s pilgrimage also included other events such as a meeting of priests with Archbishop Rino Fisichella, president of the Pontifical Council for the New Evangelization, praying the way of the Cross on the Palatine Hill in Rome, and Eucharistic Adoration in the Santa Maria in Vallicella Church.



    http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/tridentine-mass-draws-international-pilgrims-to-rome/


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    « Reply #1 on: October 30, 2013, 04:38:08 AM »
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  • There is so much wrong in this article.

    “I enjoy the ability to worship in the Extraordinary Form,” he said. “I think a lot of people can benefit from what the Church has benefitted from since the 600s – that’s 1500 years of the Mass that sanctified so many Christians.”

    Yes, isn't it awesome that the VII Church has "allowed" us to still worship the way the Church has worshipped for hundreds of years?  So nice of them!  The Church worshipped the wrong way for hundreds of years!


    Carter noted that the Extraordinary Form may not “be for everyone: some people don’t connect with that form of worship.”

    Suddenly it isn't "for everyone".  Suddenly it matters whether the people "like" Mass.  Oh, that's right, in a Modernist world everything revolves on what man likes and "prefers", cuz it's all about man, not God.


    “I think young people don’t fit the ‘attack’ that is often made on most people who attend the extraordinary form. They are not nostalgic: they didn’t grow up with it,” he explained.

    Yes, the attack is on those who try to remind that the CATHOLIC CHURCH grew up with it.

    “But it is a clear expression of Catholic culture: explicitly Catholic music, Catholic symbols, Catholic signs. There is no way to confuse it with something that is non-Catholic.”

    LOL.  Yes, the Traditional Mass is ALL about music, symbols and signs. Just some more "smells and bells".


    After growing up in a world that often identifies faith with social service, “the youth want to identify with something that shows clearly what it is to be Catholic.”

    Then someone needs to tell them that the Traditiional Mass isn't just a "preference" or an "option".

    In so doing, the Church “will allow people to come back in different ways.” The two forms of the Mass, according to Carter, act as “two sides to the same coin: a very strong part of the new evangelization that will allow people to enter into the public life of the liturgy in different ways."

    Since when is Catholic and Protestant two sides of the same coin?  Oh, yeah, since VII.



    And they wonder why this gets us riled up.......
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    « Reply #2 on: October 30, 2013, 05:56:47 AM »
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  • You got that right, 2Vermont!!  "I enjoy the ability..." really stuck in my craw.
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    « Reply #3 on: October 30, 2013, 11:41:22 AM »
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    There is so much wrong in this article.

    “I enjoy the ability to worship in the Extraordinary Form,” he said. “I think a lot of people can benefit from what the Church has benefitted from since the 600s – that’s 1500 years of the Mass that sanctified so many Christians.”

    Yes, isn't it awesome that the VII Church has "allowed" us to still worship the way the Church has worshipped for hundreds of years?  So nice of them!  The Church worshipped the wrong way for hundreds of years!
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    One doesn't need to permission or to be "allowed" to pray the Rosary, or go to Confession, or pray. Why on earth should we be "allowed" to have the Holy Mass?


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    « Reply #4 on: October 30, 2013, 07:02:11 PM »
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  • Quote from: poche
    The road leading to St. Peter’s Square was packed on Saturday morning: but not with the usual tourists or merchants. Instead, a long line of pilgrims processed along the street carrying candles and singing hymns.

    They were participants in an international pilgrimage to Rome celebrating the Extraordinary Form of the Mass made widely available by Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI in 2007.

    Bishop Fernando Areas Rifan of the Personal Apostolic Administration of Saint John Mary Vianney in Brazil spoke to CNA about his participation in the journey.

    “I am here for this pilgrimage to give my support and even the correct orientation of this pilgrimage. We are Catholics, united to the Holy See, with the blessing of the Holy Father, Francis,” he said Oct. 26.

    Saturday’s procession ended at the Altar of the Chair of St. Peter in St. Peter’s Basilica, where a Solemn Pontifical Mass was celebrated by Cardinal Dario Castrillon Hoyos of Columbia.

    An estimated 1,000 laity and religious from Italy, the US, France, Brazil, Switzerland, Germany and elsewhere joined in prayer as the incense rose to the ceiling of the ancient Basilica and the gospel was chanted in Latin.

    North Carolinian Noah Carter, who served as deacon, told CNA that it was a joy to be able to “experience things that are not a part of daily life, and benefit from the riches that go before us.”

    “I enjoy the ability to worship in the Extraordinary Form,” he said. “I think a lot of people can benefit from what the Church has benefitted from since the 600s – that’s 1500 years of the Mass that sanctified so many Christians.”

    Carter noted that the Extraordinary Form may not “be for everyone: some people don’t connect with that form of worship.”

    But in Carter’s home diocese of Charlotte, NC and elsewhere, interest in the older form of the Mass is growing.

    “I think young people don’t fit the ‘attack’ that is often made on most people who attend the extraordinary form. They are not nostalgic: they didn’t grow up with it,” he explained.

    “But it is a clear expression of Catholic culture: explicitly Catholic music, Catholic symbols, Catholic signs. There is no way to confuse it with something that is non-Catholic.”

    After growing up in a world that often identifies faith with social service, “the youth want to identify with something that shows clearly what it is to be Catholic.”

    Bishop Rifan expressed his belief that the ancient form of the Mass can contribute to the Church’s efforts at a new evangelization by providing “sense of mystery, this sense of (the) sacred. I think that the traditional Mass can help many souls – many priests, many faithful – in order to respect (the) Eucharist,” he said.

    Deacon Carter shared a similar hope: “the Extraordinary Form speaks, literally (because it is in Latin), and figuratively, a different language; and I think some people who need to can come back to faith through it.”

    Since often people have been driven away by abuses in the liturgy, Carter emphasized the need to celebrate both the Ordinary and Extraordinary Forms of the Mass in a reverent manner.

    In so doing, the Church “will allow people to come back in different ways.” The two forms of the Mass, according to Carter, act as “two sides to the same coin: a very strong part of the new evangelization that will allow people to enter into the public life of the liturgy in different ways."

    This weekend’s pilgrimage also included other events such as a meeting of priests with Archbishop Rino Fisichella, president of the Pontifical Council for the New Evangelization, praying the way of the Cross on the Palatine Hill in Rome, and Eucharistic Adoration in the Santa Maria in Vallicella Church.



    http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/tridentine-mass-draws-international-pilgrims-to-rome/


    Pooche, why in the world are you here?  You have an adoring audience over at Fisheaters.  Please post your novus ordo "news bites"" over there.   :sleep:


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    « Reply #5 on: October 30, 2013, 08:24:00 PM »
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  • Let me guess?  This extra ordinary form/ Latin is of the Ancient Rite that when said, they use no words of consecration.  

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    « Reply #6 on: October 30, 2013, 08:32:02 PM »
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  • WHAT?
    "I will lead her into solitude and there I will speak to her heart.  Osee 2:14

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    « Reply #7 on: October 30, 2013, 10:47:56 PM »
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  • Quote from: Emitte Lucem Tuam
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    The road leading to St. Peter’s Square was packed on Saturday morning: but not with the usual tourists or merchants. Instead, a long line of pilgrims processed along the street carrying candles and singing hymns.

    They were participants in an international pilgrimage to Rome celebrating the Extraordinary Form of the Mass made widely available by Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI in 2007.

    Bishop Fernando Areas Rifan of the Personal Apostolic Administration of Saint John Mary Vianney in Brazil spoke to CNA about his participation in the journey.

    “I am here for this pilgrimage to give my support and even the correct orientation of this pilgrimage. We are Catholics, united to the Holy See, with the blessing of the Holy Father, Francis,” he said Oct. 26.

    Saturday’s procession ended at the Altar of the Chair of St. Peter in St. Peter’s Basilica, where a Solemn Pontifical Mass was celebrated by Cardinal Dario Castrillon Hoyos of Columbia.

    An estimated 1,000 laity and religious from Italy, the US, France, Brazil, Switzerland, Germany and elsewhere joined in prayer as the incense rose to the ceiling of the ancient Basilica and the gospel was chanted in Latin.

    North Carolinian Noah Carter, who served as deacon, told CNA that it was a joy to be able to “experience things that are not a part of daily life, and benefit from the riches that go before us.”

    “I enjoy the ability to worship in the Extraordinary Form,” he said. “I think a lot of people can benefit from what the Church has benefitted from since the 600s – that’s 1500 years of the Mass that sanctified so many Christians.”

    Carter noted that the Extraordinary Form may not “be for everyone: some people don’t connect with that form of worship.”

    But in Carter’s home diocese of Charlotte, NC and elsewhere, interest in the older form of the Mass is growing.

    “I think young people don’t fit the ‘attack’ that is often made on most people who attend the extraordinary form. They are not nostalgic: they didn’t grow up with it,” he explained.

    “But it is a clear expression of Catholic culture: explicitly Catholic music, Catholic symbols, Catholic signs. There is no way to confuse it with something that is non-Catholic.”

    After growing up in a world that often identifies faith with social service, “the youth want to identify with something that shows clearly what it is to be Catholic.”

    Bishop Rifan expressed his belief that the ancient form of the Mass can contribute to the Church’s efforts at a new evangelization by providing “sense of mystery, this sense of (the) sacred. I think that the traditional Mass can help many souls – many priests, many faithful – in order to respect (the) Eucharist,” he said.

    Deacon Carter shared a similar hope: “the Extraordinary Form speaks, literally (because it is in Latin), and figuratively, a different language; and I think some people who need to can come back to faith through it.”

    Since often people have been driven away by abuses in the liturgy, Carter emphasized the need to celebrate both the Ordinary and Extraordinary Forms of the Mass in a reverent manner.

    In so doing, the Church “will allow people to come back in different ways.” The two forms of the Mass, according to Carter, act as “two sides to the same coin: a very strong part of the new evangelization that will allow people to enter into the public life of the liturgy in different ways."

    This weekend’s pilgrimage also included other events such as a meeting of priests with Archbishop Rino Fisichella, president of the Pontifical Council for the New Evangelization, praying the way of the Cross on the Palatine Hill in Rome, and Eucharistic Adoration in the Santa Maria in Vallicella Church.



    http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/tridentine-mass-draws-international-pilgrims-to-rome/


    Pooche, why in the world are you here?  You have an adoring audience over at Fisheaters.  Please post your novus ordo "news bites"" over there.   :sleep:

    If this puts you to sleep then why not take it to bed with you?


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    « Reply #8 on: October 30, 2013, 10:49:31 PM »
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    Let me guess?  This extra ordinary form/ Latin is of the Ancient Rite that when said, they use no words of consecration.  

    The words of Canon of the TLM is said silently.

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    « Reply #9 on: October 31, 2013, 10:52:17 PM »
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    There is so much wrong in this article.

    “I enjoy the ability to worship in the Extraordinary Form,” he said. “I think a lot of people can benefit from what the Church has benefitted from since the 600s – that’s 1500 years of the Mass that sanctified so many Christians.”

    Yes, isn't it awesome that the VII Church has "allowed" us to still worship the way the Church has worshipped for hundreds of years?  So nice of them!  The Church worshipped the wrong way for hundreds of years!
    Quote from: 2Vermont



    One doesn't need to permission or to be "allowed" to pray the Rosary, or go to Confession, or pray. Why on earth should we be "allowed" to have the Holy Mass?



    Did you check with your local ordinary for permission to say you have permission to attend the "extraordinary form."

    Just making sure the system of checks and balances is preserved.  :laugh1:
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    « Reply #10 on: November 04, 2013, 11:38:43 AM »
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  • The Remnant recently posted a few videos from the SP pilgrimage to Rome, including highlights from the precession and TLM celebrated at St. Peters:



    I'm so happy to see the Mass of All Time celebrated at the main altar of St. Peter's, but it's sad that it's relegated to being celebrated only once a year. Evidently though, a private TLM is celebrated daily at a side altar (the Remnant has a video of this), but it seems that few are in attendance, from the video.

    It would have been a wonderful gesture if Benedict would have attended this Mass at St. Peters. But I hope that it would at least give Pope Francis pause for thought, as it is evident that the TLM and Sacred Tradition aren't as dead as he would like them to be.

    At least the tourists who were visiting St. Peters at the time the Mass was celebrated were treated to something truly Catholic.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    « Reply #11 on: November 04, 2013, 12:23:49 PM »
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    There is so much wrong in this article.

    “I enjoy the ability to worship in the Extraordinary Form,” he said. “I think a lot of people can benefit from what the Church has benefitted from since the 600s – that’s 1500 years of the Mass that sanctified so many Christians.”

    Yes, isn't it awesome that the VII Church has "allowed" us to still worship the way the Church has worshipped for hundreds of years?  So nice of them!  The Church worshipped the wrong way for hundreds of years!
    Quote from: 2Vermont



    One doesn't need to permission or to be "allowed" to pray the Rosary, or go to Confession, or pray. Why on earth should we be "allowed" to have the Holy Mass?



    Did you check with your local ordinary for permission to say you have permission to attend the "extraordinary form."

    Just making sure the system of checks and balances is preserved.  :laugh1:


     :roll-laugh1:

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    « Reply #12 on: November 04, 2013, 12:27:15 PM »
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    The Remnant recently posted a few videos from the SP pilgrimage to Rome, including highlights from the precession and TLM celebrated at St. Peters:



    I'm so happy to see the Mass of All Time celebrated at the main altar of St. Peter's, but it's sad that it's relegated to being celebrated only once a year. Evidently though, a private TLM is celebrated daily at a side altar (the Remnant has a video of this), but it seems that few are in attendance, from the video.

    It would have been a wonderful gesture if Benedict would have attended this Mass at St. Peters. But I hope that it would at least give Pope Francis pause for thought, as it is evident that the TLM and Sacred Tradition aren't as dead as he would like them to be.

    At least the tourists who were visiting St. Peters at the time the Mass was celebrated were treated to something truly Catholic.


    The Pope had a balloon party going on outside in St. Peter's square on the same day.

    It was actually a circus, topped off with balloons, shirtless men doing acrobatic tricks, protestants songs, in particular the "we are the world" hulabaloo, and God knows what else.

    He was in attendance so we can see what are Rome's priorities. It's not like they didn't know the TLM would be going on on the same day as their party. It's obvious what's going on.

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    « Reply #13 on: November 04, 2013, 02:12:25 PM »
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    The Remnant recently posted a few videos from the SP pilgrimage to Rome, including highlights from the precession and TLM celebrated at St. Peters:



    I'm so happy to see the Mass of All Time celebrated at the main altar of St. Peter's, but it's sad that it's relegated to being celebrated only once a year. Evidently though, a private TLM is celebrated daily at a side altar (the Remnant has a video of this), but it seems that few are in attendance, from the video.

    It would have been a wonderful gesture if Benedict would have attended this Mass at St. Peters. But I hope that it would at least give Pope Francis pause for thought, as it is evident that the TLM and Sacred Tradition aren't as dead as he would like them to be.

    At least the tourists who were visiting St. Peters at the time the Mass was celebrated were treated to something truly Catholic.


    The Pope had a balloon party going on outside in St. Peter's square on the same day.

    It was actually a circus, topped off with balloons, shirtless men doing acrobatic tricks, protestants songs, in particular the "we are the world" hulabaloo, and God knows what else.

    He was in attendance so we can see what are Rome's priorities. It's not like they didn't know the TLM would be going on on the same day as their party. It's obvious what's going on.


    I wasn't aware of the Pope's balloon party. Oh well, that's to be expected of a modernist I suppose, in trying to draw attention away from the TLM inside. Still, Francis is aware, then, after all, of the impact of the TLM and tradition, still alive in the hearts and minds of some Catholics. And at least the modernists were on the outside of the basilica with their hootenany, and the TLM on the inside for a change. Even if it's only once a year. A little tiny consolation, I guess.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    « Reply #14 on: November 04, 2013, 03:27:55 PM »
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    The Remnant recently posted a few videos from the SP pilgrimage to Rome, including highlights from the precession and TLM celebrated at St. Peters:



    I'm so happy to see the Mass of All Time celebrated at the main altar of St. Peter's, but it's sad that it's relegated to being celebrated only once a year. Evidently though, a private TLM is celebrated daily at a side altar (the Remnant has a video of this), but it seems that few are in attendance, from the video.

    It would have been a wonderful gesture if Benedict would have attended this Mass at St. Peters. But I hope that it would at least give Pope Francis pause for thought, as it is evident that the TLM and Sacred Tradition aren't as dead as he would like them to be.

    At least the tourists who were visiting St. Peters at the time the Mass was celebrated were treated to something truly Catholic.


    The Pope had a balloon party going on outside in St. Peter's square on the same day.

    It was actually a circus, topped off with balloons, shirtless men doing acrobatic tricks, protestants songs, in particular the "we are the world" hulabaloo, and God knows what else.

    He was in attendance so we can see what are Rome's priorities. It's not like they didn't know the TLM would be going on on the same day as their party. It's obvious what's going on.


    I wasn't aware of the Pope's balloon party. Oh well, that's to be expected of a modernist I suppose, in trying to draw attention away from the TLM inside. Still, Francis is aware, then, after all, of the impact of the TLM and tradition, still alive in the hearts and minds of some Catholics. And at least the modernists were on the outside of the basilica with their hootenany, and the TLM on the inside for a change. Even if it's only once a year. A little tiny consolation, I guess.


    Here is the video:

    It was the "World Meeting of Families". Go through it if you can stomach it. Well, they need to be catechized properly. Families are falling apart and he talks about sentimental nonsense and has a party.

    Why aren't the children exposed to the real deal going on inside? They have to have a circus? Please. All the Cardinals are even holding balloons, looking all giddy.

    You can't help but wonder what the heck is going on?