According to the die-hard Novus Ordinarian:

They are just fad followers.

According to the indult:

Traditional Catholics follow the Old Rites by courtesy in order to combat the wickedness so rampant in this world more effectively and worship more effectively while keeping up with the current framework and reverently and pass some good customs to the next generation. Those TLM-onlyists are just nuisances to the Church because they are uncharitable and hinder the progress if the Church.

According to (the average CI user? the SSPX?):

Traditional Catholics stay with the Old Rites because it's the only working Rite in order to combat the wickedness of this world, helped by the decline of the Church. VII actually didn't help the Church gaining more relevancy nor extending Her hand to distant areas, it actually weakened the Church against the dark forces by making evangelism harder, denying the access to certain Sacraments, invalidating the exorcisms, stripping the Mass of its' value, etc. We need to pass our good customs and values, ever present in the Tradition, to the next generation, which they obviously don't get in secular schools, clown liturgies which made the Church ridiculous, and the media which even corrupts them. There is a possibility that the systematic weakening of the Church was deliberate and was faciliated by the enemies of the Church. The indult is making compromises. Our Church is collapsing and we are trying to slow it down and possibly, stop it.

According to the die-hard Novus Ordinarian:

They are just fad followers.

According to the indult:

Excuse me, Pelly, do you know what "the indult" is?  Because it would seem you presume it's capable of expressing an opinion.  Have you seen any articles written by "the indult?"  Does "the indult" have a phone number or a e-mail address?  Can you go out to lunch with "the indult" or give it a present or a greeting card?  Can you sing a lulaby for "the indult?" or take it for a walk in the park?

Traditional Catholics follow the Old Rites by courtesy in order to combat the wickedness so rampant in this world more effectively and worship more effectively while keeping up with the current framework and reverently and pass some good customs to the next generation. Those TLM-onlyists are just nuisances to the Church because they are uncharitable and hinder the progress if the Church.

According to (the average CI user? the SSPX?):

Traditional Catholics stay with the Old Rites because it's the only working Rite in order to combat the wickedness of this world, helped by the decline of the Church. VII actually didn't help the Church gaining more relevancy nor extending Her hand to distant areas, it actually weakened the Church against the dark forces by making evangelism harder, denying the access to certain Sacraments, invalidating the exorcisms, stripping the Mass of its' value, etc. We need to pass our good customs and values, ever present in the Tradition, to the next generation, which they obviously don't get in secular schools, clown liturgies which made the Church ridiculous, and the media which even corrupts them. There is a possibility that the systematic weakening of the Church was deliberate and was faciliated by the enemies of the Church. The indult is making compromises. Our Church is collapsing and we are trying to slow it down and possibly, stop it.

@Neil Obstat There are the die-hard Novus Ordinarians who think the TLM is just a fad, and even worse. For example, Bergoglio have said Tradcats (even in the indult) are just nostalgy sufferers and not real Catholics and under Franciscare, numerous indult organizations were threatened with closure.
The indult is the Traditional group within the Novus Ordo (aka. neo-Traditionals). They celebrate the TLM while keeping up with the NO.

I think Trickster is a regular poster over at Catholic Answers who has mixed loyalty.  He's officially a Catholic but also an adherent of American Indian religions and such.  I may be mistaken.

Quote from: trickster

I am very curious about the term Traditional Catholics...I first came across that term in Catholic Answers...and I believe that they are fitting a traditional catholic framework in the post-vatican II church.  What is a traditional catholic within the thinking and conversations here on CathInfo?  

trickster

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Hi NeilObstat. :)  Wow you are fast!  This was my very first posting and already there are calls for banishment... I have to say that would be my record of getting kicked off  a website...

I am very authentic in my question, read a bit of my stuff, thoughts, reflections before you ban me :)

Trickster
Bruce Ferguson (real name)

I think Trickster is a regular poster over at Catholic Answers who has mixed loyalty.  He's officially a Catholic but also an adherent of American Indian religions and such.  I may be mistaken.

Thank you Capt McQuigg, yes I am a regular poster at Catholic Answers and I am in enough trouble with conservatives on that site :)  I am interested in talking with everyone around the issue of the relationship between the church and indigenous peoples.  I even converse with progressive Catholics on the issue.  My interest is to learn from everyone and from there develop my understanding.

I hope that people here on Cathinfo sense my sincerety and my interest is not to debate the merits of either position but to pose questions that will help me develop my thinking on relations between the chruch, christianity in general and how it effects aboriginal Iindigenous peoples)... we had some very bad experiences with residential school abuse, so my interest is more in healing and encouraging conversation that is open minded and explorative in the most authentic and honest way we as human beings are capable of.

My brain and heart is open to all and if you read my postings on catholic answers you will see a consistency in my appraoch... i did get booted off a couple of times not so much for my own views or behaviours but more for the negative and often unkind or uncharitable responses that I am sure Jesus would not be too happy to hear...

Anyways, I look forward to learning with you and making new friends on this site.

Take care Capt!

Trickster
Real Name:  Bruce Ferguson

Quote from: MarylandTrad

Traditional Catholics support the Traditional Latin Mass and oppose the New Order of the Mass.

Traditional Catholics know that it is of the faith that there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church (Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus) and oppose the new ecuмenical/interfaith movement.

Traditional Catholics know that the Bible and the Saints taught that few are saved/majority are damned, and that universal salvation is a heresy.

Books that vindicate the traditional Catholic movement are The Permanent Instruction of the Alta Vendita and  Aa-1025 The Memoirs of a Communist's Infiltration in to the Church.

Papal encyclicals that vindicate the traditional Catholic movement are Pope Leo XIII [/i]Providentissimus Deus (On the study of Sacred Scripture) and Pope Pius XI Mortalium Animos (On true religious unity), among countless others.

Fake traditional Catholics are those who attend the traditional Latin Mass solely for aesthetic preferences, but don't actually oppose liberal/modernist errors that are destroying the Church and leading many souls to eternal damnation.  

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Awesome resources, thank you much MarylandTraditional....I will look those up.  Are you aware of any resources that would express what the pre-Vatican II teaching on evangelism, cultural incorporation and so forth...as you may know< I am old enough to remember the traditional church, I am a Vatican II generation guy, but my mother and grandmother grew up as indigenous people in the church prior to the changes.  There is so much to explore on the beauty of the church prior to the Council (as well as the last fifty years) that speak to the church's concern and care for our people.  So, yeah, if you can think of any resources that would throw light on this.. I'd appreciate.

You have already filled my reading schedule for the next month though :)  thanks     Hope to hear a lot from you.

Trickster
Bruce Ferguson (Real name)

Hi Mr. Ferguson,

Here is a link to an article that might be of interest to you about Ven. Antonio Margil de Jesus who converted countless Indians of Nicaragua, Costa Rica, Guatemala, and Texas. http://www.traditioninaction.org/Margil/AM003_Tape_ApostleTexas.htm

Here is a link to another article about the North American martyrs and some of the Indians they converted http://www.traditioninaction.org/History/B_002_NAIndians_Quijano.html

The missionary zeal of the martyrs is foreign to most modern Catholics because they no longer are aware of or believe in the necessity of being Catholic to go to heaven.

-John