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Offline Matthew

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Traditional Catholic world is chaotic like Judges chapter 17
« on: February 20, 2019, 01:05:35 PM »
My favorite quote to reference the Traditional Catholic movement, especially the disagreements among laymen and priests, is the following from Judges chapter 17:

[6] In those days there was no king in Israel, but every one did that which seemed right to himself.

Because right now there is no spiritual authority -- either no pope, or effectively no pope. It's all the same difference. Regardless of what thesis you hold to on the status of Pope Francis, the fact is that we don't have a Catholic authority to hold the Church together at the moment. At best, the Pope isn't doing his job.

So each man does that which seems right to himself.

Offline Matthew

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Re: Traditional Catholic world is chaotic like Judges chapter 17
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2019, 01:07:01 PM »
But it gets better -- just read the whole chapter. Behold the insanity, the ignorance!
It reminds me of some of the stuff I've seen in the weirder parts of the Traditional Movement (Pfeifferville, Pope Michael, etc.)


The history of the idol of Michas, and the young Levite.
[1] There was at that time a man of mount Ephraim whose name was Michas,[2] Who said to his mother: The eleven hundred pieces of silver, which thou hadst put aside for thyself, and concerning which thou didst swear in my hearing, behold I have, and they are with me. And she said to him: Blessed be my son by the Lord. [3] So he restored them to his mother, who said to him: I have consecrated and vowed this silver to the Lord, that my son may receive it at my hand, and make a graven and a molten god, so now I deliver it to thee.[4] And he restored them to his mother: and she took two hundred pieces of silver and gave them to the silversmith, to make of them a graven and a molten god, which was in the house of Michas. [5] And he separated also therein a little temple for the god, and made an ephod, and theraphim, that is to say, a priestly garment, and idols: and he filled the hand of one of his sons, and he became his priest.
[5] "Filled the hand": That is, appointed and consecrated him to the priestly office.
[6] In those days there was no king in Israel, but every one did that which seemed right to himself. [7] There was also another young man of Bethlehem Juda, of the kindred thereof: and he was a Levite, and dwelt there. [8] Now he went out from the city of Bethlehem, and desired to sojourn wheresoever he should find it convenient for him. And when he was come to mount Ephraim, as he was on his journey, and had turned aside a little into the house of Michas,[9] He was asked by him whence he came. And he answered: I am a Levite of Bethlehem Juda, and I am going to dwell where I can, and where I shall find a place to my advantage. [10] And Michas said: Stay with me, and be unto me a father and a priest, and I will give thee every year ten pieces of silver, and a double suit of apparel, and thy victuals.
[11] He was content, and abode with the man, and was unto him as one of his sons. [12] And Michas filled his hand, and had the young man with him, for his priest, saying: [13] Now I know God will do me good, since I have a priest of the race of the Levites.


Offline Matthew

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Re: Traditional Catholic world is chaotic like Judges chapter 17
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2019, 01:12:41 PM »
I mean these were Israelites! Making a new false god out of silver! Don't you just want to yell at the screen?

Re: Traditional Catholic world is chaotic like Judges chapter 17
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2019, 01:40:26 PM »
I have been quoting this passage from Judges for years.  It sums up the situation.  If you wish to follow the true Catholic religion, you're on your own to stumble through as best you can.  What about all the Israelites who did not have a Levite lodging at their place?  Were they all damned?  

Re: Traditional Catholic world is chaotic like Judges chapter 17
« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2019, 10:11:58 AM »
Speaking of Chaos, I heard Fr. Rippenger say that the Traditionalist movement has its own demon, the demon of criticism.