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Offline ServusSpiritusSancti

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Traditio takes a slight jab at Fatima
« on: April 16, 2013, 10:46:20 PM »
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  • I understand their point that Francis Consecrating his papacy to Our Lady of Fatima isn't something that should make Traditionalists think fond of him. However, they also compare Fatima to Medjugorje and Garabandal (and seeing "Our Lady in a grilled cheese sandwhich"), and that is what I take issue with:

    http://www.traditio.com/comment/com1304.htm

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    Now the New Order papacy has truly reached the height of the absurd! It was announced on April 12, 2013, that Newpope Francis-Bergoglio, the second in history who himself has been himself not been consecrated as a bishop, is going to "consecrate" his Newpapacy on May 13, 2013, to an apparition. It all fits. It is a matter of Catholic dogma that apparitions are not part of the Catholic and Apostolic Deposit of Faith. If they do not contradict that Faith, they may be believed, and people may have a private devotion to them, but they can teach nothing new, just as the papacy can teach nothing new. For further information, click on FAQ10: How Do You Explain These Traditional Catholic Beliefs? in the section "Apparitions/Private Revelations/Visions."

    So, here we have a Newpope awash in an invalid Mess and invalid sacraments, involved with false doctrine, and sunk into an unbelievable immorality, but rather than being Catholic and dedicating his papacy to Our Lord Jesus Christ and to His doctrine and teaching, undertaking to correct false worship, false doctrine, and false morality, Bergoglio will dedicate himself to an apparition. It all fits.

    And the "Fatima" at and to which Bergoglio will consecrate his unconsecrated self will not even be the traditional shrine, but the New Order sect's new shrine, a pantheistic structure that looks more like a tennis racket than even a beautiful pagan Roman church. Newchurch in 2007 built this structure to replace the traditional Fatima shrine. It all fits.

    We know that among the pseudo-traditionalists, there are those who would give "Fatima" the value of doctrine. That is heresy. They will praise the most Modernist of the Newpopes elected to date as somehow "Marian." We wonder, however, when Newchurch will return to its head, Who is Christ. Mary, after all, is not a goddess. To treat her as such or tantamount to such would be blasphemy. The Rosary, praiseworthy as it is, is worth less than one grain of sand on all the beaches of the world as compared to one valid Traditional Catholic Mass.

    So why is it that these pseudo-traditionalists are so wrapped up in Fatima or Medjugorje or Garabandal or the image of the Virgin in a grilled-cheese sandwich? As Bishop Marcion put it so aptly 2000 years ago: Corruptio optimi pessima. Isn't that just how the Enemy works? Take something good, devotion to Mary, for example, and pervert to serve ends that Our Lady herself would condemn.

    Good Catholics, why are these pseudo-traditionalists not single-mindedly focused upon getting Traditional Latin Masses and Sacraments and traditional Catholic priests all over the world? Is it possible that the Enemy is distracting them from what is central to Christ's true Faith onto some side road? That has already happened to Bernie Fellay's Neo-SSPX, but at least some one hundred of his priests have departed from him, refusing to be made by him instruments of the unCatholic New Order.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.


    Offline Neil Obstat

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    Traditio takes a slight jab at Fatima
    « Reply #1 on: April 17, 2013, 03:47:03 AM »
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  • While Pope Francis is obviously not a friend of Tradition, it is highly
    presumptuous, and worse than that, to proclaim that there is no hope in
    his pontificate when he consecrates it to Our Lady of Fatima.  How far is
    this from the Collegial Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of
    Mary?  Of course, the putrid aspect of some would deny the merit or the
    benefit to the world of such a consecration.  

    There are a number of cranky, weird things about Traditio but this one
    takes the cake.  He does more to damage the image of Tradition than Pope
    Francis does, that's for sure!!!  Francis might not be a friend of Tradition,
    but "Fr. Morrison" is a FALSE friend of Tradition, and that's WORSE!

    The lives of the three shepherd children of Fatima were plagued by such
    people as "Fr. Morrison" of Traditio.
    The townspeople used to spit on them,
    kick them, hit them with sticks, and throw vile objects at them such as
    garbage or worse.  Some of the cruelest things they hurled were their
    rotten epithets!  Even the local clergy were disrespectful.  One priest in
    particular seemed to be more on the side of Arturo Santos, the mayor of
    Ourem and avowed Freemason (who kidnapped the children and
    threatened to boil them in oil) than he was on the side of Our Lady, but
    then, he did not think that Our Lady was appearing there.  

    After Francisco and Jacinta went to their eternal reward (!), Lucia was
    practically run out of town by soldiers at gunpoint, when she managed to
    flee to a far-away city without being able to even say "good-bye" to her
    family and friends (who were very few, like a handful), for her exile had
    to be in secret to protect her life.  The Archbishop, Dom Jose Correira da
    Silva, who was a very holy man, a cripple by way of torture by
    Freemasons, was convinced that she would either be murdered or
    canonized if she stayed in Fatima.  Maybe both!  

    The horrid underbelly of Fatima is kept alive by the calumny of the wicked.

    And don't forget the nefarious Fr. Edouard Dhanis S.J., who promoted
    the big lie that all the so-called visions were merely the wild imaginings of
    the children, things they had read in story books.  Never mind that they
    could not read!

    And then, he had the audacity to say that Sr. Lucy in her later years was
    illiterate -- so she couldn't have written down the Third Secret!  And that
    was years after she had learned to read and write as Our Lady had told her
    to.

    It's good to keep in mind what was NOT so pretty behind the Fatima Message.


    As they say, Our Lady hands you roses when you are devoted to her, but
    beware, for she tends to hand them over, thorns first.  

    The "Fathers" of Traditio are not ashamed to take their place among the
    usual suspects when it comes to blasphemy against Our Lady in her sacred
    images,
    among which is Our Lady of Fatima, the woman clothed with the sun
    (Apoc. xii. 1).




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    Offline Elizabeth

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    Traditio takes a slight jab at Fatima
    « Reply #2 on: April 17, 2013, 01:50:31 PM »
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  • Typical of the spirit of that site.

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    Traditio takes a slight jab at Fatima
    « Reply #3 on: April 17, 2013, 03:40:29 PM »
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  • In case NO hasn't heard, 'Francis' is not the Pope of The Roman Catholic Church. he is what is known as an anti-pope.  :fryingpan:
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'

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    Traditio takes a slight jab at Fatima
    « Reply #4 on: April 17, 2013, 04:51:53 PM »
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  • Quote from: roscoe
    In case NO hasn't heard, 'Francis' is not the Pope of The Roman Catholic Church. he is what is known as an anti-pope.  :fryingpan:


    Who is the true pope he's in opposition to?
    It would be comparatively easy for us to be holy if only we could always see the character of our neighbours either in soft shade or with the kindly deceits of moonlight upon them. Of course, we are not to grow blind to evil


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    Traditio takes a slight jab at Fatima
    « Reply #5 on: April 17, 2013, 07:03:18 PM »
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  • I do not know
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'

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    Traditio takes a slight jab at Fatima
    « Reply #6 on: April 17, 2013, 08:20:20 PM »
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  • Quote from: SJB
    Quote from: roscoe
    In case NO hasn't heard, 'Francis' is not the Pope of The Roman Catholic Church. he is what is known as an anti-pope.  :fryingpan:


    Who is the true pope he's in opposition to?


    I do not know.
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'

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    Traditio takes a slight jab at Fatima
    « Reply #7 on: April 19, 2013, 10:31:20 AM »
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  • Quote from: ServusSpiritusSancti
    However, they also compare Fatima to Medjugorje and Garabandal (and seeing "Our Lady in a grilled cheese sandwhich"), and that is what I take issue with:

    http://www.traditio.com/comment/com1304.htm

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    So why is it that these pseudo-traditionalists are so wrapped up in Fatima or Medjugorje or Garabandal or the image of the Virgin in a grilled-cheese sandwich?  


    Very disrespectful remark. Thanks for the heads up. By their deeds you shall know them.


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    Traditio takes a slight jab at Fatima
    « Reply #8 on: April 19, 2013, 02:01:53 PM »
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  • They come across like atheists sometime.  Even Richard Dawkins, in his book, The God Delusion (pages 91-92), had this to say about Fatima:

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    “On the face of it mass visions, such as the report that seventy thousand pilgrims at Fatima in Portugal in 1917 saw the sun ‘tear itself from the heavens and come crashing down upon the multitude’, are harder to write off. It is not easy to explain how seventy thousand people could share the same hallucination. But it is even harder to accept that it really happened without the rest of the word, outside Fatima, seeing it too — and not just seeing it, but feeling it as the catastrophic destruction of the solar system, including acceleration forces sufficient to hurl everybody into space. David Hume’s pith test for a miracle comes irresistibly to mine: ‘No testimony is sufficient to establish a miracle, unless the testimony be of such a kind, that its falsehood would be more miraculous than the fact which it endeavours to establish.’

     It may seem improbable that seventy thousand people could simultaneously be deluded, or could simultaneously collude in a mass lie. Or that history is mistaken in recording that seventy thousand people claimed to see the sun dance. Or that they all simultaneously saw a mirage (they had been persuaded to stare at the sun, which can’t have done much for the eyesight.) But any of those apparent improbabilities is far more probable than the alternative: that the Earth was suddenly yanked sideways in its orbit, and the solar system destroyed, with nobody outside Fatima noticing. I mean, Portugal is not that isolated.”


    Dawkins makes a number of mistakes in his analysis of the Miracle of Sun (for instance, the witnesses were facing in a northerly direction with the sun being behind most of them, as it being fall and Portugal being in the northern hemisphere), but instead of people like Dawkins, we can trust those individuals who were actually there that day:

    http://www.fatima.org/essentials/facts/miracle.asp