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Offline Todd The Trad

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TRADISMATIC!!!
« on: November 27, 2021, 09:55:54 PM »
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    • So, there's a new term I've run into...“tradismatic.” :facepalm: I came across a youtube video tonight called "Traditional Catholics vs. Charismatic Catholics w/ Fr. Mark Goring". I'll put the video at the end of my post. Check out some of the comments from the video. I... can't...even :laugh1:



    "I love this! I’m a traditional Catholic, but I speak charismatically. I guess call me “tradismatic.”' 

    "I consider have been considering myself a tradismatic for quite a few years and I do think the church will grow if we keep the 2 together to form a solid foundation instead of opposing the 2. They go together. Praise the Lord for this introduction as faithful Catholics can be united to practice the one and only true faith."

    (This is for Xavier regarding the growth of Catholicism in Africa) "In Africa, the Catholic Charismatic renewal is the main driver of growth in the Catholic church. The Catholic Charismatic renewal are more enriching and more active. Those sound in traditional Catholic teachings don't derail when they become Charismatic. I was a Catholic Charismatic renewal member for many years in Nigeria."

    "I’m a charismatic catholic AND a traditionalist. The trad part came later after I did an Alpha course. What happened when they prayed over me at the Weekend Away at Alpha was that the Holy Spirit came down on me like a ton of bricks....far more powerfully than when I was originally baptized in the Holy Spirit."

    "Why can't we just take the benefits of both? I was set on fire by the Charasmatic movement, but as I grow deeper with that, I also have grown a deeper love for a traditional mass with communion rails and chant. It isn't an either or question. You can do both."

    "LOVE IT!! TRADISMATIC movement! I am a very traditional Catholic and very much into the Holy Spirit."

    "I believe in the power of the Holy Spirit, I feel His fire and power, I have receive Gifts from Him. For me the perfect match is to be a TRADISMATIC."


    If you want to read more of this ridiculousness, check out all of the comments :facepalm:


      
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    Re: TRADISMATIC!!!
    « Reply #1 on: November 27, 2021, 10:03:52 PM »
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    • If souls wish to truly love the Holy Ghost, then they ought to stick to the orthodox devotions to Him, instead of borrowing from the depraved ideas of Protestant heretics. 

    Here is a webpage that contains many such beautiful prayers: http://catholicharboroffaithandmorals.com/Prayers%20and%20Devotions%20to%20the%20Holy%20Ghost.html

    Great playlist from Ascent of Mount Carmel on YT concerning the errors and history of the Charismatic movement: 

    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLB9wsq--mkdMoFrQ0TUoqU3zjovFsda1S
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    Re: TRADISMATIC!!!
    « Reply #2 on: November 27, 2021, 10:15:11 PM »
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    • We all received the seven gifts of the Holy Ghost at confirmation.  It is sufficient to use those gifts, rather than seeking sensible consolations.
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    Re: TRADISMATIC!!!
    « Reply #3 on: November 27, 2021, 10:16:42 PM »
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    • Quote from: StLouisIX on November 27, 2021, 10:03:52 PM
    If souls wish to truly love the Holy Ghost, then they ought to stick to the orthodox devotions to Him, instead of borrowing from the depraved ideas of Protestant heretics.

    Here is a webpage that contains many such beautiful prayers: http://catholicharboroffaithandmorals.com/Prayers%20and%20Devotions%20to%20the%20Holy%20Ghost.html

    Great playlist from Ascent of Mount Carmel on YT concerning the errors and history of the Charismatic movement:

    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLB9wsq--mkdMoFrQ0TUoqU3zjovFsda1S
    Great links!
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    Re: TRADISMATIC!!!
    « Reply #4 on: November 27, 2021, 10:19:58 PM »
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    • Quote from: SimpleMan on November 27, 2021, 10:15:11 PM
    We all received the seven gifts of the Holy Ghost at confirmation.  It is sufficient to use those gifts, rather than seeking sensible consolations.
    I agree. This outpouring of the Holy Ghost they talk about knocking their socks off on retreats and stuff sounds suspicious to me. Much too dependent on feelings. This movement seems to me to be a constant chasing after sensible consolations. I don't know anything from firsthand experience, but some of this stuff almost sounds like demonic trickery to me.  
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    Re: TRADISMATIC!!!
    « Reply #5 on: November 27, 2021, 10:21:56 PM »
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    • Poor Father Goring.   I like him and believe he is earnest but just needs to do more research and has been misled like soooo many others.

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    Re: TRADISMATIC!!!
    « Reply #6 on: November 27, 2021, 10:24:18 PM »
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    • Quote from: SimpleMan on November 27, 2021, 10:15:11 PM
    We all received the seven gifts of the Holy Ghost at confirmation.  It is sufficient to use those gifts, rather than seeking sensible consolations.

    Excellent point. One of the videos in the playlist touches on how, in a similar way, the sacraments instituted by Christ are enough and argues against the Charismatic perspective of this assumed need for a "baptism of the Holy Spirit": 


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    Re: TRADISMATIC!!!
    « Reply #7 on: November 27, 2021, 10:29:13 PM »
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    • Quote from: bodeens on November 27, 2021, 10:16:42 PM
    Great links!

    You're welcome! A gift shared is a gift twice received. 

    Quote from: Todd The Trad on November 27, 2021, 10:19:58 PM
    I agree. This outpouring of the Holy Ghost they talk about knocking their socks off on retreats and stuff sounds suspicious to me. Much too dependent on feelings. This movement seems to me to be a constant chasing after sensible consolations. I don't know anything from firsthand experience, but some of this stuff almost sounds like demonic trickery to me. 

    Yeah, that's my impression too. Fr. Goring isn't all bad, he just needs to get away from this stuff and stick to sensible devotions and approved apparitions, along with solid Catholic doctrine. Without prayer, none of that will happen. 

    In this clip below, Bishop Williamson talks about how the Charismatic movement does so well in terms of numbers in the NO Church because it fully embraces the "spirit of Vatican II" (Modernism): 

    https://odysee.com/@PromotorFidei:d/Bishop-Williamson-exposes-the-New-Religion-(2019):6

    And as the good Bishop says, stay away from spiritual "chocolate"!
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    Re: TRADISMATIC!!!
    « Reply #8 on: November 27, 2021, 11:40:37 PM »
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    • I know one Indult-type priest who I actually respect. He started out a religious Brother interested in Tradition, traditional ways/morals, Chant, the Tridentine Mass. He studied (including in Rome) and became a priest. He is of Italian heritage, and very intelligent. I met him a couple years ago, and he impressed me. Even though we are in two different "camps", he still has my respect and he seems to be a holy priest of good will. Maybe it's because he was unwilling or non-inclined to condemn those in, say, the Resistance? He knew about the local Resistance chapel I attend, believe it or not. There was not a hint of criticism when he talked. But you could tell he lived a deep and real spiritual life, lacking neither prayer nor mortification. I was edified.

    But as for Catholics being charismatic, this priest has completely left behind his mistakes from 17 years ago, where he dabbled in speaking in tongues and the charismatic movement. He has matured and apparently God has shown him the error of that path.

    I wonder what he'd say about that video (above).
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    Re: TRADISMATIC!!!
    « Reply #9 on: November 28, 2021, 11:27:01 AM »
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    • Charismatics actually believe in the supernatural. They are much better than normie Catholics. Even though it seems strange when they lift up their arms and bark like dogs after the consecration, it shows that they really believe in the real presence.
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    Re: TRADISMATIC!!!
    « Reply #10 on: November 28, 2021, 11:32:56 AM »
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    • This entire "charistmatic" movement comes from being "bored" with ORDINARY Catholicism.  God works for most people in their ordinary circuмstances, their day to day lives.  But these are the generation always seeking a "sign" that Our Lord rebuked.  I get up every day and perform my duties of state to the best of my ability.  I pray.  I receive the Sacraments.  But these people find that "boring" and "uninspiring".  Chances are that when the novelty of charismatism wears off, they'll just move on to the next thing ... very possibly outside the Church.  But we see in the history of the saints that they often grew the MOST in holiness during their periods of "dryness" ... where they had almost no emotional incentive to keep going.  It is precisely then that they have to drag themselves along by their sheer will and their sheer faith and intellect (when the reasons don't seem persuasive any more to their minds) ... it is then that their will and their intellect become the strongest, and that is true holiness.  True holiness is in the will and the intellect, and not in the lower / emotional faculties.
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    Re: TRADISMATIC!!!
    « Reply #11 on: November 28, 2021, 11:48:21 AM »
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    • Tradismatic?! :confused:  What an oxymoron! :facepalm:

    The Charismatic movement in the Church started around the late 60s/early 70s just when the Vatican II changes started destroying the Latin Mass.  I don't understand how one can be both.  Sounds very confusing to me.

    Could they be confusing the virtue of ZEAL with ''charismatic feelings''?

    Of course, ''zeal'' would probably sound too old-fashioned to them and these confused people NEED a catch-phrase.
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    Re: TRADISMATIC!!!
    « Reply #12 on: November 28, 2021, 12:12:32 PM »
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    • In the 80's there was not one charismatic group that I was involved with that acknowledged our Lady in any way- that included groups organized by religious.
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    Re: TRADISMATIC!!!
    « Reply #13 on: November 28, 2021, 04:46:16 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on November 27, 2021, 11:40:37 PM
    I know one Indult-type priest who I actually respect. He started out a religious Brother interested in Tradition, traditional ways/morals, Chant, the Tridentine Mass. He studied (including in Rome) and became a priest. He is of Italian heritage, and very intelligent. I met him a couple years ago, and he impressed me. Even though we are in two different "camps", he still has my respect and he seems to be a holy priest of good will. Maybe it's because he was unwilling or non-inclined to condemn those in, say, the Resistance? He knew about the local Resistance chapel I attend, believe it or not. There was not a hint of criticism when he talked. But you could tell he lived a deep and real spiritual life, lacking neither prayer nor mortification. I was edified.

    But as for Catholics being charismatic, this priest has completely left behind his mistakes from 17 years ago, where he dabbled in speaking in tongues and the charismatic movement. He has matured and apparently God has shown him the error of that path.

    I wonder what he'd say about that video (above).
    There are priests like that.  The pastor of the parish whose school my son attended was very liberal, but he knew all about my traditionalist sympathies, and it was never an issue.  He never disrespected me over it, never tried to talk me out of it, it was never the slightest problem.  It can happen.
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    Re: TRADISMATIC!!!
    « Reply #14 on: November 28, 2021, 08:34:26 PM »
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    • Reminds me of the "Bass-O-Matic".

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