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I just listened up to the point where the host said that only sedevacantists are real traditional Catholics, then I turned it off and I will not listen to it any further.

"Why don't you sit back and relax, pour yourself a cup of coffee and enjoy the show.  It'll be a lot of fun."

Are you out of your mind?

How can anyone think a 20 min monologue revealing nothing that people don't already know would be "fun".  Listening to Malachi Martin talking about political intrigue or Vatican plots is "fun".  This is anything but fun.

The author of the "show" needs to understand something about media and capturing and holding people's attention.  Clearly they are utterly incompetent and completely lack any understanding of how to promote a message.

No wonder SVs are a dying breed when their efforts are so pathetic.  Honestly, I would think an intelligent junior high schooller could produce a more entertaining or thought provoking piece of media.

I find an Islamic terrorist's rant no less entertaining or "fun".

You think they are saving the big revelations for episode 2 ?

I just listened up to the point where the host said that only sedevacantists are real traditional Catholics, then I turned it off and I will not listen to it any further.

Matto, that was my stopping point.  I've come too far to retreat back to the sedevacantist precipice that I almost fell over.

Please forgive me - I accidentally downthumbed your comment, when I meant to do the opposite.  

Really? You expected something other than the SV perspective on the current crisis in the Church?  
The NOW has always been SV, to expect anything less from their podcast is just plain ignorant.

Love it or leave it, but don't expect it to be something it is not.  

Marsha

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The only way to roll is sedeprivationism  :cool:

...while still supporting Bishop Williamson  :cheers:

So-called sedeprivationism solidly professes that, "the Vatican II popes are not popes".

And it also posits that the Conciliar popes are (only) material popes. Some goes with all of the new order bishops and priests. You forgot to mention that essential part.

Nobody takes you serious. How can they after reading your illogical, deceitful, discord-sowing comments? Look at yourself (profile reputation). It's a big fat goose egg. A "0", notwithstanding the fact that you have well over 1,000 posts.  :roll-laugh1:    

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Quote from: ascent

The only way to roll is sedeprivationism  :cool:

...while still supporting Bishop Williamson  :cheers:

So-called sedeprivationism solidly professes that, "the Vatican II popes are not popes".

And it also posits that the Conciliar popes are (only) material popes. Some goes with all of the new order bishops and priests. You forgot to mention that essential part.

Nobody takes you serious. How can they after reading your illogical, deceitful, discord-sowing comments? Look at yourself (profile reputation). It's a big fat goose egg. A "0", notwithstanding the fact that you have well over 1,000 posts.  :roll-laugh1:    

While it says they are popes "materially" the theory still say they are categorically NOT popes.

But it says they can still confer Holy Orders and consecrate the Sacraments, as well as render various organizational decisions, while their heresy and unfolding apostasy nullifies them as real Shepherds in the Church, thus no Catholic is obligated to be obedient to the falsehoods that they promulgate. Moreover, their declarations of sainthood are not to be honored, nor believed, except for real saints who, due to their true saintliness and the material effects of Beatification / Canonization, do become genuinely canonized in the Church and in the Eyes of the Lord.

Bp. Williamson is totally against that, and you forgot to say that!

In terms of semantic description of the Church's Crisis, and the response to it, Bp Williamson differs from sedeprivationism. However, logically, privationism and Bp Williamson essentially hold the same positions, at least for the most part. The key difference, however, is that privationism logically defines it's position, and describes the Crisis, much better than Bp Williamson. There will be no alliance because of what Bp Sanborn did to Archbishop Lefebvre - shamefully bringing a civil suit against the great Archbishop Lefebvre. Old Code of Canon Law states it's forbidden for anyone to bring a civil suit against a bishop.