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Offline Lover of Truth

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TRADCAST 008
« on: September 17, 2015, 05:23:30 AM »
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  • http://www.novusordowatch.org/wire/tradcast-008-is-here.htm

    In TRADCAST 008, released on September 16, 2015, we present you with two fun, solid, information-packed segments on various hot-button issues: In the first segment, we evaluate how Francis’ recent decision to grant simpler and speedier marriage annulments effectively creates “Catholic divorce”, all the while the same “Pope” sheds crocodile tears “lamenting” that the family is under attack. We also analyze Francis’ curious move of giving faculties to the priests and bishops of the Society of St. Pius X during the “Jubilee Year of Mercy” so they can confer valid and licit absolution in confession.

    In the second portion of our podcast, we turn to the recent controversy surrounding Kentucky county clerk Kim Davis’ courageous refusal to sign a marriage license for a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ “couple”, and we explain how the religious liberty argument will never work and is the wrong way to go about opposing unnatural “marriage”. We then share a clip of a Q&A with Dr. Ryan Anderson of the Heritage Foundation to show how to refute the argument that opposing “gαy marriage” is discrimination, and we explain how the only way to soundly refute gαy marriage is to appeal to the natural law, the only non-arbitrary standard of right and wrong that imposes itself on all human beings equally, regardless of religion or political ideology.

    You can listen to the podcast by clicking the YouTube video above, or you can go to our TRADCAST 008 page, where you will find all the information you need for this show, including links to articles, blog posts, news stories, etc., mentioned in the podcast, and where you will also find ways to download this episode to your computer and sign up to be notified of new episodes by email.

    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church


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    « Reply #1 on: September 17, 2015, 07:47:08 AM »
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  • Quote from: Lover of Truth
    we explain how the only way to soundly refute gαy marriage is to appeal to the natural law, the only non-arbitrary standard of right and wrong that imposes itself on all human beings equally, regardless of religion or political ideology.


    So the Divine Law is "arbitrary"?  Divine Law (e.g. Sacred Scripture) doesn't "impose itself" if you're not of a certain religion or political ideology?  This guy has been completely discredited by this statement alone.  More fruits of the religious indifferentism / subjectivism that come from this buffoon's denial of EENS.


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    « Reply #2 on: September 17, 2015, 04:55:51 PM »
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  • Non-believers do not recognize Divine Law so you cannot appeal to that when discussing ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ "marriage" with them.  

    Non-believers should however at least acknowledge natural law unless they consider themselves outside nature.  A person could argue from natural law alone the impossibility of two same-sex people "mating".  Ants don't do it, iguanas don't do it, even rabbits don't do it.

    If we are ever to convince our Godless nation that there is truly no such thing as ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ "marriage" we will have to start with the natural law, and perhaps if/when they become believers we can move up to Divine law.

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    « Reply #3 on: September 17, 2015, 05:25:54 PM »
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    Non-believers do not recognize Divine Law so you cannot appeal to that when discussing ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ "marriage" with them.  

    Non-believers should however at least acknowledge natural law unless they consider themselves outside nature.  A person could argue from natural law alone the impossibility of two same-sex people "mating".  Ants don't do it, iguanas don't do it, even rabbits don't do it.

    If we are ever to convince our Godless nation that there is truly no such thing as ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ "marriage" we will have to start with the natural law, and perhaps if/when they become believers we can move up to Divine law.


    You mean it wasn't an attack on Divine law????   :wink: :rolleyes:
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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    « Reply #4 on: September 17, 2015, 05:35:55 PM »
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  • Quote from: Marlelar
    Non-believers do not recognize Divine Law so you cannot appeal to that when discussing ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ "marriage" with them.  

    Non-believers should however at least acknowledge natural law unless they consider themselves outside nature.  A person could argue from natural law alone the impossibility of two same-sex people "mating".  Ants don't do it, iguanas don't do it, even rabbits don't do it.


    The problem is that there is increasing number of people who consider themselves Catholic and claim to recognize the Divine Law, yet support same sex "marriages".

    Also, you could succesfully argue from Scripture that everyone recognizes the Divine Law in some way.

    Romans 1:28-32 (in context, St. Paul discusses universal sinfulness of mankind, so this applies to everyone): "Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them."


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    « Reply #5 on: September 18, 2015, 08:17:02 AM »
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    Non-believers do not recognize Divine Law so you cannot appeal to that when discussing ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ "marriage" with them.


    Understood.  But that's simply an apologetic tactic or strategy.  In no way is is true that the natural law is the only "non-arbitrary" law that's binding on all people.  Divine Law is not arbitrary and it binds all.