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« on: June 14, 2014, 01:40:07 AM »
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  • The real shocker is towards the end in which the videographer searched
    for the room where the Blessed Sacrament was kept.
    Not even the Priest in a white robe who came out of the
    sacristy knew where the room is located.
    The videographer found the room himself, and the tabernacle
    looks just like a pagan tombstone.
    I am glad that I avoided this place when I lived in the Los Angeles
    area in which is now so easy to get around because of the
    light rail.

     


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    « Reply #1 on: June 14, 2014, 04:28:00 AM »
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  • What a mess.

    The tabernacle is out of place there - he probably should have been looking for the vending machines instead.  
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse


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    « Reply #2 on: June 14, 2014, 07:23:14 AM »
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    What a mess.

    The tabernacle is out of place there - he probably should have been looking for the vending machines instead.  


    No wonder people lose their faith in the novus ordo church. It is designed
    for that purpose.
    The room containing the Blessed Sacrament was completely empty
    of people. While, there were lots of people in and around the
    cathedral.
    Sign of the times of the lost of faith.
    The tabernacle looks more like a pharaoh's sarcophagus.

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    « Reply #3 on: June 14, 2014, 08:34:14 AM »
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  • That's a real fine job by Mr. Eskew.

    I wonder what's become of him?
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    « Reply #4 on: June 14, 2014, 11:11:11 PM »
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    That's a real fine job by Mr. Eskew.

    I wonder what's become of him?


    Perhaps, the novus ordo monster got to him as an act of revenge.

    No, he is most likely making more interesting videos for youtube.

    I got to see the one he filmed at the crystal cathedral. There is
    a statue of Bishop Sheen, and there is a crown of thorn bush.


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    « Reply #5 on: June 14, 2014, 11:45:00 PM »
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  • That monstrosity looks more like a parking garage than a place of worship. Of course, that's by design.
    "This principle is most certain: The non-Christian cannot in any way be Pope. The reason for this is that he cannot be head of what he is not a member. Now, he who is not a Christian is not a member of the Church, and a manifest heretic is not a Christian, as is clearly taught by St. Cyprian, St. Athanasius, St. Augustine, St. Jerome, and others. Therefore, the manifest heretic cannot be Pope." -- St. Robert Bellarmine

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    « Reply #6 on: June 16, 2014, 01:45:57 PM »
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  • Quote from: RomanCatholic1953
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    What a mess.

    The tabernacle is out of place there - he probably should have been looking for the vending machines instead.  


    No wonder people lose their faith in the novus ordo church. It is designed
    for that purpose.
    The room containing the Blessed Sacrament  [room of exile] was completely empty of people. While, there were lots of people in and around the
    cathedral.
    Sign of the times of the loss of faith.
    The tabernacle looks more like a pharaoh's sarcophagus.


    I thought it reminded me of partially melted wreckage found in the debris after an atomic explosion, where temperatures had been in the thousands of degrees for a few short moments.  You know, an 'artist's' rendition of 'culturally meaningful'.  What it could have been BEFORE it was partially melted is another question.  Maybe a cappuccino machine?  Maybe a moonshine still?  Perhaps part of a tank from an oil refinery or a sanitation apparatus?  It has a hinging portion that moves and the hinges still work, so they couldn't have been melted too much.

    There is hardly ever anyone in the 'room of exile' because it has all the ambiance of exclusion with none of the benefits of solitude.  There is normally a din of noise going on in Mahony Square Garden, and if you came there to pray, you're likely to be a bit annoyed at the constant chattering and such noises.  "Oh, maybe that's because they're not aware of the presence of Our Lord in the tabernacle," you may say to yourself.  So then you have to go searching to find it, which could take a while if you don't have any clues (and there are NO clues to be seen anywhere in the building).  I'll give you a big hint:   it's on the RIGHT side of the nave, accessible from the hallway elevated above the main seating area.

    Once you find the room of exile, since you're trying to pray in silence so you can keep your mind on your prayers instead of being incessantly distracted from your prayer, you realize it's not to be found there, either, because there is no ceiling, and the room's walls stop abruptly at about 14 feet high leaving the room open on top to all the noises ambient in the rest of the building.  Further, it seems the ceiling of the larger space is arranged so as to direct the sound of the place INTO  the room of exile, somehow.  So it's a separate room, but it's full of the same noises as is found outside the room.  

    I have been in this room of exile in the past when I encountered the smell of urine there.  Later that smell was gone.  The custodian must have been alerted.  Street people are accustomed to look for a desolate place to do their business, and this room of exile is certainly that.  

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    « Reply #7 on: June 16, 2014, 01:52:54 PM »
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    That monstrosity looks more like a parking garage than a place of worship. Of course, that's by design.


    Of course it is! One might say an oversized drive though cookie stand.......


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    « Reply #8 on: June 16, 2014, 03:06:13 PM »
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    The real shocker is towards the end in which the videographer searched
    for the room where the Blessed Sacrament was kept.
    Not even the Priest in a white robe who came out of the
    sacristy knew where the room is located.
    The videographer found the room himself, and the tabernacle
    looks just like a pagan tombstone.
    I am glad that I avoided this place when I lived in the Los Angeles
    area in which is now so easy to get around because of the
    light rail.

     



    Pause the video at 1:55 and look to the bottom right and you will see the image of Our Lady of Guadalupe against the far wall.  That is in a niche that overlooks the Interstate 10 freeway, below.  Roger Cardinal Mahony was always very accommodating to The Image of the Virgin of Guadalupe, that is, so long as it is a symbol of illegal immigration and ambiguous campaign tool of abortion promoting politicians.  Note: she is the Patroness of the Unborn.



    The statue above the front entrance is supposed to be the Blessed Virgin Mary,
    but you'd never have known that unless someone tells you.  




    Entering the front door, the large bronze doors are not visible in the shadows due to the overexposure of the other scenes.  Then you see the inner doors, aluminum frame commercial doors like you would find at a Macy's or an auditorium.  The universalist message written on the glass sets the tone for the entire structure.  

    This cameraman didn't notice there is no holy water font to be found inside the entrance doors.  Later, at 5:50, he passes the pool used for baptisms at the rear of the 'worship space', and that is where the ushers direct people who want holy water to make the sign of the cross (a sacramental), and they say that all the water in the pool is holy water.  I have my doubts about the presence of any blessing.  It's probably full of chlorine, though.  Effectively, you very rarely will see anyone using the jacuzzi pool for blessing themselves.  

    At minute 10 when he goes downstairs into the mausoleum area there are several things he didn't mention.  The stained glass windows you see at the end of various hallways are salvaged from St. Vibiana's Cathedral (the old L.A. Cathedral that was abandoned and has been remodeled into a restaurant and fancy banquet hall, in an area of town where Mahony had said that it was not a good place anymore for the prominence of a cathedral).  

    The room that is here passed through quickly at 10:15, which has the movable seating and pictures on the wall is the mausoleum chapel, and those are the Stations of the Cross (but there are 15 of them because the "last" one is the Resurrection).  There are no Stations in the 'worship space' upstairs, in case you didn't notice.  That's another story.  It's a 'cathedral' that never has Stations of the Cross, even during Lent!  The chapel has 3 walls that are fixed and one wall that is movable, like in convention centers and hotels, where rooms can be divided.  The movable wall is often left open to expose the smaller room it would enclose, which is a kind of storage area for miscellaneous items, a sort of janitor's closet.  That is, the flotsam and jetsam of the cathedral is often times left in plain view of anyone trying to make their Stations.  

    In minute 14, when he approaches the so-called tabernacle, he could have opened it up by pulling the front panels.  They are like double doors that swing out to expose the inner contents, which is remotely recognizable as something in which a hidden compartment (the tabernacle) is in the quasi-center.  Notice the deformed aspect of the tabernacle lantern that hangs high on the wall to the left side.  This video shows it briefly at 14:04 and 14:38.  At 14:50-58 you can see the SHADOW of the stick-figure cross, which is cast on the door of the "thing" makes a shape that can be imagined to resemble the arms of Our Lord on the cross, but it is not a corpus but rather the SHADOW cast from sticks bent outward that gives this IMPRESSION, the message being that Christ crucified is AN ILLUSION.  Get it?  (That was the punch line.)

    As he leaves the building, you do get a better glimpse of the huge bronze doors at the end of the video.  At minute 15:21, they're beyond the glass doors, at 15:35 one is to the left of the girls standing on the left side, and the other is very dark in the shadows at 15:38 on the right as he passes by them.   They're an elaborate bronze ordeal with curious inscriptions all over them, of Freemasonic and pagan origins, which is consistent with the universalism described in the message on the glass.


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    « Reply #9 on: June 16, 2014, 03:20:05 PM »
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    For those familiar with construction and architectural details, the walls of this structure are mostly pour-in-place concrete walls, which means that they're solid stone, reinforced masonry, and very expensive, therefore, to remodel.  It has a sort of permanence by intention.  The overall footprint is there to stay, effectively.  It would be prohibitively costly to make this over into something appropriate for a real church.  


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    « Reply #10 on: June 16, 2014, 04:31:28 PM »
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    Regarding the "story" about the Stations of the Cross, there is a history involved.

    At minute 12:43-12:44 in this video, when the cameraman asks a man where he can find the tabernacle, immediately behind the man's head, on the wall, you can see a kind of shadow or a smudge in the approximate shape of a cross (kind of like the approximate shape of a crucifix on the so-called tabernacle).  What do you suppose that is, a mistake?  (Other examples of these smudges are seen at minutes 5:59, 6:34 (in the stairwell on the left), and at 13:14 and 13:19.)

    Could it be someone's idea of graffiti or defacement of the walls?  Not a bad guess, actually.  

    If you go around the whole interior of this 'worship space' (that's what protestants like to call their meeting places where they have 'worship service'), you will be able to count 15 of these curious smudges on the walls, in some approximate shape of a cross, but not always.  This one at minute 12:44 is one of the more recognizable shapes-as-if-it-were-a-cross things;  that is, stains on the wall.  How do you suppose they got there?

    I'll give you a clue.  

    Normally, you see, when a bishop publicly and openly blesses the installation of official Stations of the Cross in a public place like an oratory, or a nature trail outdoors, or a church, or a basilica or yes, a cathedral, the bishop blesses the cross at each of the 14 stations.  After he does so, the Church's indulgences for the faithful who make the Stations there, under the usual conditions, are made available.  The graces of the Church's treasury of indulgences are opened to those who make the Stations of the Cross at these officially blessed places.  

    But here at the so-called cathedral of Our Lady of the Angels, there are no such officially blessed places where any activation has been made of the indulgences for anyone who prays the Stations of the Cross with their compliance with the usual conditions.  In other words, if you want to get a plenary indulgence for saying the Stations on First Friday during Lent, and you've been to confession recently and you're in the state of grace, and you are ready, willing and able to move from one station to the next and say your prayers for example, don't go to Mahony Square Garden 'cause you won't get none, 'cause there ain't any.

    Is that enough of a clue?  No?  Okay, how about this:  When it's Mahony that's the guy doing the deed or making things happen, of one thing you can be sure, it will not be something in accordance with Tradition.  He will indubitably change some major aspect of whatever-it-is such that it in no way resembles anything ever done before in the history of the Church.  

    Still not good enough?  How about this:  The 15 smudges on the wall are oil stains made by the abrupt and haphazard smearing of an oil-soaked rag on the wall, at 15 places inside the 'worship space'.  

    Still not good enough?  Maybe this will help:  When Mahony changes something in Tradition, he is wont to do so BIG Time.  He seems to take pleasure in shocking the Faithful by his abject severance from all things Catholic, but in a way that isn't obviously protestant or satanist or lucifarian or freemasonic or pagan or Zoroastrian or anything like that.  It's almost like he GOES TO GREAT LENGTHS TO STUDY the question in advance so as to be sure that nobody ever has done this thing that he's about to do.  Almost as if to say, if it is truly original, then nobody will be able to criticize him for copying someone else, as if its originality per se, makes it somehow credible as worthy of our acceptance.  This, by the way, is one of the marks of Antichrist.  

    Still can't guess how these 15 smudges got on the pour-in-place concrete walls?  There might be one more clue.  When in the course of construction of pour-in-place walls, the forms are stripped, there are often a lot of bubbles that stuck to the surface making little pockets of space, and it looks a bit unsightly, so a technique was developed whereby a Portland Cement slurry is made up and burlap sacks are dipped in it, then the workers SMACK the wall with the sacks and smear the slurry around on the surface, which tends to fill the holes and makes them disappear.  Cardinal Balony --- sorry, I mean Mahony saw this technique in practice, since he watched the construction of his Taj Mahony Square Garden.

    Still not enough background for you?  How about this:  Instead of blessing the crosses at the Stations of the Cross,  A)  Mahony has no stations in his 'worship space' (except in the basement broom closet where they're not blessed at all and there are no crosses on the 15 'stations', not 14, because they include the Resurrection),  B)  Mahony one day on a lark with many witnesses (making it a public act), walked around the new 'worship space' with a rag soaked in some kind of oil, rubbing smears of the oil in 15 places on the concrete walls,  C)  Mahony muttered some combination of vocal utterances that resembled words but had no identifiable intelligible meaning and/or relevance, and   D)  Mahony never explained what the purpose of making the smudges on the walls was, what effect he was trying to accomplish, what it all meant or what anyone should ever think about it.  

    BTW this is not how the Church normally does public ceremonies of any kind.  But that shouldn't be any big surprise since Mahony has always been all about not explaining himself and doing things that seem to make no sense.

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    « Reply #11 on: June 16, 2014, 09:24:42 PM »
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  • thanks for the info

    when seeing the "main room" i thought "where are the stations?"
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    « Reply #12 on: June 16, 2014, 11:25:22 PM »
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    thanks for the info

    when seeing the "main room" i thought, "where are the stations?"


    You're welcome.  What there is INSTEAD of  A)  stained glass and  B)  Stations of the Cross, is  C)  tapestries high on the walls depicting strange people walking around in nightgowns -- they're supposed to be "The Saints."  But they could be Buddhists, or Hindus or Zoroastrians for all we know.  Certainly Americans don't dress like that, unless they're wearing costumes for a stage play or a movie or a Hallowe'en party.  I say "strange people," but the PR department already circuмvented that problem by publishing a chart that identifies famous saints among the figures shown.  Who woulda thunk?

    Yes, it's a commonplace question asked, "Where are the stations?"  

    Another good one to ask is, "Are these dirt stains supposed to replace the stations of the Cross, or what?"  They HATE that question.  Notice, all the dirty oil stains are positioned so as to NOT be visible from the sanctuary.  Therefore, we are left supposing that Cardinal Balony -- sorry, I mean Mahony -- planned it that way so he wouldn't be reminded in the future of his little sacking ceremony.  (The technique concrete contractors use to fill the divots in the walls by rubbing in Portland Cement with a burlap sack, is technically referred to as "Sacking.")  You can literally say, therefore, that Mahony sacked the Church.  

    And he doesn't like to be reminded of that fact, believe me.  That's okay.  Go ahead and RUB IT IN (pun intended)!  

    It's fun to go there and ask the ushers questions like this.  They get annoyed when you have too many good questions.  There's no way they can be trained well enough to respond to them all.  But it might do them some good to hear them asked.  


    "So the tabernacle is in 'another room', is it? Is the decision to exile the Blessed Sacrament in 'another room' based on anything in the docuмents of the Second Vatican Council?"  -- They need to hear that question again and again.  


    Roger Cardinal Balony --- sorry, I mean Mahony --- is currently in residence at St. Charles Borromeo Parish Church at the corner of Moorpark and Lankershim in North Hollywood.  Wherever he goes he brings corruption in his wake.  It follows him like a disease.  They just finished a remodel there including a lot of necessary work (like asbestos abatement) but in typical Mahony fashion, they took this opportunity to also exile the tabernacle to a 'side chapel' where there is NO ALTAR, much the way it is in the UNcathedral downtown.  I went to the 'side chapel' at St. Charles and knelt before the tabernacle-in-exile, and several people walking by stared at me as if I was some kind of relic, myself.  I have to wonder if anyone ever kneels there.  There is a constant din of noise inside the church now that the tabernacle has been moved, and it is just as noisy in the 'side chapel', because it is open to the nave of the church where all the noise is coming from.  Neither is soundproofing the exile room an answer, because then it is isolated and separate from the church, which is likewise improper.  The tabernacle belongs where it has always been, in the center of the main altar.  The altar of repose is only for Good Friday evening and Holy Saturday.  But Newchurch makes it year-round standard practice, like they do with other Triduum traditions.  

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    « Reply #13 on: June 16, 2014, 11:35:36 PM »
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    I don't know if any of the other innovators have thought of this, but they could save a lot of money by making the "crying room" for babies the same room as the Eucharist-in-exile room (Blessed Sacrament chapel).  

    Then they could say, "Unless you become as little children you shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven."  

    I'm sure Mahony thought of that because it's just his style.. maybe he thought it would be a bit over-the-top, though.  He may have been lacking the courage of his convictions just enough to stop short.   :wink:

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    « Reply #14 on: June 17, 2014, 12:46:29 AM »
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    The Taj Mahal in India is a beautiful building with lovely gardens.  

    Madison Square Garden in New York is a cold, ugly, foreboding place.  

    Mahony's monstrosity resembles the latter, much more than it does the former.

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