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Offline Classiccom

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« on: August 03, 2009, 12:12:42 PM »
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  • http://www.traditio.com/comment/com0908.htm
     
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      I felt the same way : time to apply the correct label.

    Club Infallible destroys the souls of even the best and brightest. Who can fight this beast?

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    August 6, 2009 - The Transfiguration of Our Lord
    Double Feast of the Second Class
    Yes, Christ Did Denounce the Leaders of the Church of His Time
    Then As Now They Do Not Represent Him: They Are a "Den of Thieves"
    From: Jim
    Jesus Upbraids the Scribes and Pharisees
    "Jesus Upbraids the Scribes and Pharisees" (1728)
    Christ Called the Leaders of the Church in His Day His Personal Enemies
    And Said that Those Perfidi Who Did Not Accept Him as Messias
    Should Have Their Throats Slit Like Sacrificial Animals
    Contrary to the Milquetoast "Jesus" that the Modernists Pander
    The Real Christ Would Condemn in the Harshest Terms the Leaders of Newchurch Today

    Dear Fathers:

    I was looking up last night the passage right before the one that was read as the Gospel last Sunday, the Ninth Sunday after Pentecost, St. Luke 19:27, right before Christ is to enter Jerusalem. I have heard that the meaning of this passage is much stronger than even the Douay-Rheims version, that instead of "killing them before Me," it means "cutting their throats before Me," that Christ's point is God is just and will not spare His enemies. Is that correct?

    The Fathers Reply.

    Yes, but the passage has even deeper meaning than that. A sphage, the Greek word that is the root of what is rendered "kill" above, is literally a sacrificial slaughter, as the slitting of a sacrificial animal's throat. The word is used in that sense as early as Herodotus, more than five centuries before Christ. Kata, when used as a verbal prefix in Greek, generally means "completely." Thus, the Jєωs unfaithful to Christ as their Messias are denounced by Christ as being subject to being sacrificed to the New Covenant.

    The context both before and after this verse (Luke 19:27) is obviously about the Jєωs of Christ's time (as a group, although there were individual exceptions, such as the Apostles and the numerous Disciples) and their refusal to accept Him as their Messias. Those unfaithful (the literal meaning of controversial perfidi) Jєωs are the "enemies" to which this verse refers. The parable that precedes, concerning the money (mna, which the Douay-Rheims version renders as a British pound), is similar the parable of the talents (another amount of ancient money) and refers to the Jєωs, who were given so much more to start with as the Chosen People than the Gentiles, but most of them did not develop the special understanding that they were given into a recognition of Christ as their Messias.

    The Gospel of the Ninth Sunday after Pentecost follows shortly after this verse. In it, Christ prophesies the destruction of the Temple of the Jєωs, an historical event that happened some forty years later when the Romans, commanded by the son of the emperor, conquered the resisters in what is known as the Jєωιѕн War. Then follows one of the strongest curses of Christ against the leaders of the Church of His time, whom he calls "a den of thieves." Although the Gospel apocope ends with the first sentence of verse 47, the second sentence is instructive: "And the chief priests and the scribes and rulers of the people sought to destroy Him." Clearly, the leaders of the Church were the enemies of verse 27.

    It should be observed also that the word for "enemy" in verse 27, echthous, is not "the enemy," as would be used for the enemy in a war, but personal enemies. St. Jerome rightly renders the word in the Latin Vulgate as inimicos, which corresponds in Latin to personal enemies, as opposed to hostes, the enemy regarded as a group in war. Christ, by His vocabulary, is calling the leaders of the Church in His day His personal enemies.

    The Vatican II-Modernist notion of the Jєωs taken as a group, particularly the leaders of that Church, as "revered brothers" is certainly not the way that Christ Himself spoke of them. He did not use reverential terms of them. He did not address them as "holy fathers" or as "most reverend." Rather, he considered them his personal enemies and denounced them in the strongest terms, just as He would denounce the leaders of the Newchurch of today as His personal enemies, and certainly not as representing Him and His doctrine vicariously.

    It is hard to imagine any words of Our Lord in Scripture that are more applicable to the leaders of Newchurch, those "unholy fathers" and "least reverend," whose loyalty is to an unCatholic and immoral New Order of their own making, not the New Covenant of Christ as represented in the Gospels: "My house is the house of prayer, but you have made it a den of thieves" (Luke 19:46/DRV).


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    « Reply #1 on: August 03, 2009, 12:35:58 PM »
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  • Can somebody dumb this down for me?

    I can't understand what I am reading.

    Also, a definition of "Club Infallible" would be helpful.


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    « Reply #2 on: August 03, 2009, 12:47:13 PM »
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  • Classicom holds the heretical Dollinger/ Gallican theory that opposes Infallibility-- which the Catholic world was demanding of the Pope and Council in the face of the Classic Communist Revolution. Ciao
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'

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    « Reply #3 on: August 03, 2009, 01:00:46 PM »
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  • Elizabeth, what roscoe means to say is that Classicom is a "Old Catholic" who denies the infallibility of the Roman Pontiff.
    2 Corinthians 4:3-4 

    And if our gospel be also hid, it is hid to them that are lost, In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of unbelievers, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not shine unto them.

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    « Reply #4 on: August 03, 2009, 03:52:08 PM »
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  • I pay attention to the Pope( provided he is a real Pope) whenever he bothers to make his sentiments known in any way about anything. This is irrespective of whether it classifies as ex-cathedra infallible or not.

    I wonder if Uriel would like to give us an example of a Pope making a mistake in matters of the Church.
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'


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    « Reply #5 on: August 06, 2009, 07:30:15 PM »
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  •   I was just listening to the French Connection interview with Ognir

    http://iamthewitness.com/audio/Ognir/TFC.OGNIR.SMITH.PT1.02-08-2009.mp3

      The Knucklehead in Rome was used in the world roundup as a description of the Catholic zombie state.