Author Topic: Top quality Fr. Chazal sermon on faith, hope, and NFP (Read 2524 times)

PG · « **on:** July 05, 2015, 12:14:29 AM »

This is a great sermon by fr. chazal. I highly recommend it. And, he does a great job condemning nfp. Also, at 18 minutes he reports that cmri openly promotes nfp. And, I suspect that this is not just a rumor, but true. I remember fr. ramolla attacking the cmri, and the topic of nfp was involved. I think it was even the main reason. But, correct me if I am wrong. Do any CI cmri trads care to comment or refute this claim? I am interested in hearing from you.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #1 on:** July 05, 2015, 12:20:21 PM »

The more I hear from Father Chazal the more I like him.

NFP is complete garbage. No one has ever explained how it does not violate the principles taught in Casti Conubii.

And, yes, the CMRI actively endorse it. I can't speak to the term "promote", as in the sense of "encourage its use".

tadeas · « **Reply #2 on:** July 06, 2015, 08:28:09 AM »

NFP was promoted by approved books already before Casti connubii.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #3 on:** July 06, 2015, 09:59:03 AM »

Quote from: tadeas

NFP was promoted by approved books already before Casti connubii.

So what? CC trumps these other sources. And it trumps Pius XII's Allocution to Midwives also.

tadeas · « **Reply #4 on:** July 06, 2015, 10:51:52 AM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

Quote from: tadeas
NFP was promoted by approved books already before Casti connubii.

So what? CC trumps these other sources. And it trumps Pius XII's Allocution to Midwives also.

It means NFP was allowed before CC.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #5 on:** July 06, 2015, 11:12:23 AM »

Quote from: tadeas

Quote from: Ladislaus
Quote from: tadeas
NFP was promoted by approved books already before Casti connubii.

So what? CC trumps these other sources. And it trumps Pius XII's Allocution to Midwives also.

It means NFP was allowed before CC.

1) you've never proven your contention, but just say so

2) Before the definition of infallibility, various Catechisms were out there rejecting it. That means absolutely nothing. What's at issue is the Magisterium and not "approved sources". You've had liberal scuм bishops running around the Church since the beginning of time.

NFP is an abomination before God.

tadeas · « **Reply #6 on:** July 06, 2015, 11:23:08 AM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

Quote from: tadeas
Quote from: Ladislaus
Quote from: tadeas
NFP was promoted by approved books already before Casti connubii.

So what? CC trumps these other sources. And it trumps Pius XII's Allocution to Midwives also.

It means NFP was allowed before CC.

1) you've never proven your contention, but just say so

2) Before the definition of infallibility, various Catechisms were out there rejecting it. That means absolutely nothing. What's at issue is the Magisterium and not "approved sources". You've had liberal scuм bishops running around the Church since the beginning of time.

NFP is an abomination before God.

Look, when I left Novus Ordo I have been purchasing old catholic books to better know the catholic faith and morals. And as I know all these books in Slovak and Czech from 19 to 20th century tell me NFP is allowed. So, maybe it is justifiable for me?

If I did not know English and internet I would never know someone thinks NFP is sinful, and what EENS really means.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #7 on:** July 06, 2015, 02:09:32 PM »

Quote from: tadeas

So, maybe it is justifiable for me?

Well, the greater sin is on the part of those who taught that it's OK. But you need to look into why it's wrong. Hiding behind some priest might only be an excuse for someone who's completely ignorant. There have long been bad priests and bad bishops in the Church.

songbird · « **Reply #8 on:** July 06, 2015, 02:16:59 PM »

The woman's body was made by God. It has all the signs, cervical mucus, just like the rain. The farmers know when plant. The signs have been with us since day 1.
BUT serious reason is absolute.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #9 on:** July 06, 2015, 02:35:35 PM »

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The woman's body was made by God. It has all the signs, cervical mucus, just like the rain. The farmers know when plant. The signs have been with us since day 1.
BUT serious reason is absolute.

What does this even mean? Farmers don't plant seed in infertile ground but in the fertile.

songbird · « **Reply #10 on:** July 06, 2015, 05:35:20 PM »

In the video, the priest mentioned, that NFP was never used in the passed. Medical books of 1900 were noted for stating on the chapter of fertility, to watch for mucus, which keeps the sperm alive and helps in its transport. Indians also were known to know of the signs a long time ago.

OldMerry · « **Reply #11 on:** July 06, 2015, 09:38:24 PM »

Here is a great article against NFP -

http://www.oocities.org/athens/troy/6480/nfpcontents.html

It is worth getting to it !

songbird · « **Reply #12 on:** July 06, 2015, 10:31:17 PM »

Rythm Method is of man, cervical mucus are signs God made.

Disputaciones · « **Reply #13 on:** July 07, 2015, 08:32:13 AM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

Quote from: songbird
The woman's body was made by God. It has all the signs, cervical mucus, just like the rain. The farmers know when plant. The signs have been with us since day 1.
BUT serious reason is absolute.

What does this even mean? Farmers don't plant seed in infertile ground but in the fertile.

PG · « **Reply #14 on:** July 07, 2015, 05:58:42 PM »

Here is a link to fr. jenkins and fr. kelly discussing casti conubii and the primary ends of marriage on "what catholics believe". Start listening at 18 mins. Whether casti conubii and the ordered ends of marriage is infallible is mentioned and discussed. Rythm and the four conditions is briefly mentioned at the end. Fr. jenkins does say that the church teaches "you cannot limit the number of children by chemical or physical means". But, I suspect that is lip service. Because, observing rythm is a physical act. It is a mess. NFP is the bloody knife. Our Lady said that sins of the flesh are to blame, and that certainly refers to this(onanism under its many forms).