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Re: Biblical Commission: Are ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ unions no longer condemnable?
« Reply #30 on: December 21, 2019, 12:49:15 PM »
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  • My first reaction to the OP is that it is most likely not accurate. i would caution the forum to be skeptical . :popcorn:
    My apologies to the forum for not reading the OP as carefully as I should. Pls disregard above post... :facepalm:
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'


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    Re: Biblical Commission: Are ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ unions no longer condemnable?
    « Reply #31 on: December 21, 2019, 04:14:39 PM »
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  • This topic has about as much credibility as the alleged PP Dossier--   just another  attempt to smear Pope St Pius X & Card Rampolla.  :sleep:
    My apologies to the Forum again for a misinterpretation of the OP... :pray:
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'


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    Re: Biblical Commission: Are ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ unions no longer condemnable?
    « Reply #32 on: December 22, 2019, 12:02:02 AM »
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  • https://fatima.org/news-views/new-vatican-book-reinterprets-sin-of-sodom/

    New Vatican Book Reinterprets Sin of Sodom
    by David Martin
    New Vatican Book Claims that Sodom and Gomorrah were Punished for Inhospitality, not ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity

    The news broke this week that the Vatican’s Pontifical Biblical Commission has just published a new book, titled What Is Man? An Itinerary of Biblical Anthropology, which now reduces the ‘sin of Sodom’ to ‘lack of hospitality.’

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/vatican-publishes-new-book-reducing-sin-of-sodom-to-lack-of-hospitality

    According to Vatican experts who oversaw its publication, Sodom and Gomorrah were not punished for engaging in lewd acts with the same sex but were punished for closing their borders and failing to “welcome the foreigner.” The claim is brazenly made that Scripture does not indict ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ acts but rather indicts those who are “inhospitable” to foreigners.

    Concerning the destruction of Sodom, the Biblical Commission asks: “But what was Sodom’s sin, that deserved such an exemplary punishment?” The authors observe that “in other passages of the Hebrew Bible which refer to Sodom’s guilt, there is no allusion to a sɛҳuąƖ transgression practiced against people of the same sex.”

    The Pontifical Biblical Commission goes on to say that the Biblical account of Sodom “is not intended to present the image of an entire city dominated by irrepressible ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ cravings; rather, it denounces the conduct of a social and political entity that does not want to welcome the foreigner with respect, and therefore claims to humiliate him, forcing him to undergo an infamous treatment of submission.”

    The authors make clear their view that the punishment of the Sodomites was “motivated by the fact that they had shown a deep hatred towards the foreigner.”

    The Biblical Commission concludes:
    So according to Francis’ “reformed” Vatican, patriots who courageously guard their borders against Communists and Jihad invaders are now “sodomite offenders” who deserve punishment while those who offend God by engaging in a terrible sin that cries to Heaven for vengeance   (ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity) can now be acceptable persons whose lifestyle is “legitimate” and “dignified.”
    Consider the following from the authors:
    Had the authors ever read St. Paul’s epistle to the Romans wherein he criminalizes those men who “have burned in their lusts one towards another, men with men working that which is filthy, and receiving in themselves the recompense which was due to their error?” According to the   Apostle, “They who do such things are worthy of death; and not only they that do them, but they also that consent to them that do them.” (Romans 1: 27, 32)

    Hence we see how Vatican progressives are skillfully using this new book to not only normalize ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity in the Catholic Church but to help advance the globalist plan for a borderless one-world government.

    The problem with the book is that there is nothing in the Bible that suggests that lack of hospitality had anything to do with God’s verdict against the Sodomites or that ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity may be hospitably welcomed by the Christian. It rather is condemned from the beginning. “Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind, because it is an abomination.” (Leviticus 18:22) It was the sin of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity that brought the fierce punishment of God upon Sodom and Gomorrah, but it appears that Rome is in denial of this Biblical fact.

    And why? Because Rome today is infested with gαy sympathizers like Cardinal Oscar Maradiaga who heads the pope’s “Council of Nine” or Archbishop Vincenzo Paglia who heads the new Pontifical Academy for Life. Not to mention the many others that are part of this Vatican “gαy lobby” that Pope Francis works closely with. Unfortunately, this latest Vatican publication is among the key “fruits” of their labors.  

    It was reported recently that Pope Francis had requested the Pontifical Biblical Commission to reevaluate the Biblical teaching on ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, apparently in preparation for the new book.  We pray that the book quickly be condemned, lest souls be sent down the path to perdition because of it.

    Thanks for posting this right away Mr. G.  Absolutely incredible except for the fact that it is so absolutely credible in view of the evil smoke the Vatican from the putative pope on down is immersed in.  Instead of putting out the fire and blowing out the smoke they continually add more Satanic fuel to the fire.

    At the following link we find the list of those individuals making up the Pontifical Biblical Commission.  The commission is so corrupt that I'm not expecting a single one to voice an open dissent, let alone resign their position from this open sewer.  http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/pcb_docuмents/rc_con_cfaith_pro_14071997_pcbible_en.html

    In case anyone wants to send them an email the email adddress as seen here is found at the bottom of the text: vati419@cfaith.va





    The Pontifical Biblical Commission

     
    I. Profile
    The original Commissio Pontificia de Re Biblica
    The body which today is known as the Pontifical Biblical Commission was constituted by Leo XIII with the apostolic Letter Vigilantiae studiique of 30th October 1902 (cfr. ASS 35 [1902-1903], 234-238). The Holy Father assigned a threefold task to the new institution: a) to promote biblical study effectively among Catholics; b) to counteract erroneous opinions regarding Sacred Scripture by scientific means, and c) to study and illuminate debated questions and emerging problems in the biblical field.
    Some years later, Pius X, with the apostolic Letter Scripturae Sanctae of 23rd February 1904, granted to the Biblical Commission the faculty of conferring the academic degrees of licentiate and doctorate in Biblical Studies (cfr. ASS 36 [1903-1904], 530-532).
    Leo XIII and Pius X had granted to the Biblical Commission ample competence in relation to the emerging biblical questions and controversies provoked by modern critical study. From 13th February 1905 until 17th November 1921 the Biblical Commission issued fourteeen decrees and two declarations in the form of responses to questions or doubts proposed to them. Under Pius XI (until 30th April 1934) there followed two more decrees, making a total of eighteen interventions.

    The new Pontifical Biblical Commission
    On 27th June 1971, in the context of the great work of post-conciliar reform, Paul VI, with the Motu proprio Sedula cura (cfr. AAS 63 [1971], 665-669), established new norms for the organisation and functioning of the Biblical Commission, in order to make its activity more fruitful for the Church and better adapted to the contemporary situation.
    This apostolic Letter marks a radical change for the role and organisation of the Commission. In fifteen brief articles the new structure is defined: the Members are no longer Cardinals, who are assisted by consultors, but teachers in biblical sciences coming from various schools and nations, who are distinguished ‘for their learning, prudence and Catholic respect for the ecclesiastical Magisterium’ (art. 3).
    From this change of structure there follows necessarily a change of nature and of functions. Since it is no longer composed of Cardinals, on the model of the Roman Congregations, the new Biblical Commission becomes a consultative body, placed at the service of the Magisterium and linked to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the Prefect of which is also the President of the Commission (cfr. art. 1).

    II. Activities and Docuмents
    The Biblical Commission organises its own plenary Assembly every year, in the second week after Easter, on a topic previously chosen by the President, at the proposal of various organisms, such as the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the Episcopal Conferences, or the Commission itself.
    The new Biblical Commission held its first plenary Assembly in 1974, and on this occasion the exam programmes for the conferral of academic degrees in biblical sciences were reviewed
    In the following years (1975-1976) the Members tackled a study of femininity in the Bible and, more precisely, the role of woman in society according to Sacred Scripture. The conclusions reached by the Biblical Commission were not published, but only placed at the disposal of the Holy See, according to what is provided for in article 10 of the apostolic Letter Sedula cura.
    In 1977-1978 the theme of the use of Sacred Scripture in the theology of liberation, at the time a topic of great and burning relevance, was considered, without however producing any docuмent.
    In the plenary assembly of 1979 the theme of inculturation in Sacred Scripture was examined, and the contributions were published in a volume entitled Fede e cultura alla luce della Bibbia (LDC, Torino, 1981).
    In 1980 it was decided that a very demanding and diverse theme should be tackled: the relationship between hermeneutics and christology. This study continued until the plenary Assembly of 1983 and it ended with the publication of the docuмent Bible et Christologie (Cerf, Paris, 1984), which was immediately translated into the principal languages.
    From 1985 until 1988 the Biblical Commission took time to study the complex connections between local churches and the universality of the one People of God, featuring an approach which was biblical, ecclesiological and ecuмenical. A docuмent of twenty pages was produced with the title Unité et diversité dans l’Eglise and this was made public, together with the text of the presentations of the different Members (Libreria Editrice Vaticana, Città del Vaticano, 1989), and translated into the principal languages.
    In 1989 the important theme of the interpretation of the Bible was tackled. Various presentations were made and work was taken forward on many controversial aspects which for some years had been raising heated discussions in scientific circles. The work continued for some years and finally, in 1993, the docuмent L’interprétation de la Bible dans l’Eglise (Libreria Editrice Vaticana, Città del Vaticano, 1993) was published.
    From 1994 until 1996 the work of the Biblical Commission was focussed on the theme of the universality of salvation through Christ and the diversity of the religions. From 1997 an in-depth study of the relationship between the New and Old Testaments, and between Christians and Jєωs, was undertaken. This investigation concluded in the plenary session of 2000 and, the following year, the docuмent entitled Le peuple Juif et ses Saintes Écritures dans la Bible chrétienne was published in various languages.
    In the following years the Commission took up new and important topics, and its reflections were published in the following docuмents:
    - The Bible and Morality. Biblical Roots of Christian Conduct (11th May 2008).
    - The Inspiration and Truth of Sacred Scripture: The Word That Comes from God and Speaks of God for the Salvation of the World  (22nd February 2014).

    III. Composition of the Commission
    The President of the Biblical Commission is the Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, who is assisted by a Secretary chosen from among the twenty Members of the Commission, and by a technical Secretary. The members of the Biblical Commission, including the Secretary, are nominated by the Holy Father for a period of five years, on the recommendation of the President. Once the five year period has ended, they can be reconfirmed for a second mandate. They come from various schools and nations and are distinguished for their learning and Catholic respect of the ecclesiastical Magisterium. The present composition of the Biblical Commission is as follows:
    PRESIDENT  
     Card. Luis Francisco LADARIA FERRER, S.I.
    SECRETARY  
     Rev.do P. Pietro BOVATI, S.I.  
    MEMBERS  
    Rev.do Knut BACKHAUS
    Rev.do P. Pietro BOVATI, S.I.
    Rev.da Sr. Nuria CALDUCH-BENAGES, M.N.
    Rev.do Eduardo CÓRDOVA GONZÁLEZ
    Sig.ra Bruna COSTACURTA
    Rev.do Mons. Pierre DEBERGÉ
    Rev.do Juan Miguel DÍAZ RODELAS
    Rev.do Luís Henrique ELOY E SILVA
    Rev.do Adrian GRAFFY
    Sig.ra Mary HEALY
    Rev.do John Chijioke IWE
    Rev.do Thomas MANJALY
    Rev.do Hugo Orlando MARTÍNEZ ALDANA
    Rev.do Levente Balázs MARTOS
    Rev.do Jean Bosco MATAND BULEMBAT
    Rev.do Fearghus Ó FEARGHAIL
    Rev.do Johan Yeong_Sik PAHK
    Rev.do Eleuterio Ramón RUIZ
    Rev.do Henryk WITCZYK
     
    TECHNICAL SECRETARY  
    Rev.do Don Alessandro BELANO, F.D.P.
     
    Address: Palazzo del Sant’Uffizio
    00120 Città del Vaticano.
    vati419@cfaith.va

    Offline roscoe

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    Re: Biblical Commission: Are ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ unions no longer condemnable?
    « Reply #33 on: December 22, 2019, 01:22:04 AM »
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  • Thanks for posting this. I found the first paragraph  most interesting.

    The 'New' PBC-- not so mucho:popcorn:
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'

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    Re: Biblical Commission: Are ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ unions no longer condemnable?
    « Reply #34 on: December 22, 2019, 01:48:04 AM »
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  • The secretary of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Archbishop Giacomo Morandi, said Friday that a new docuмent by the Pontifical Biblical Commission does not give an “opening” to the validity of so-called same-sex unions.
    Morandi referred to the book-length docuмent “Che Cosa E' L’Uomo? Un itinerio di antropologia biblica” (“What is Man? An Itinerary of Biblical Anthropology”) published by the Vatican as an Italian-language book Dec. 16.
    The report was written over several years by the Pontifical Biblical Commission, which is a part of the CDF, and aims to provide a study of the whole of scripture on the topic of human anthropology, aimed as a resource for scholars and students.
    One nine-page section of the book studies the Bible’s treatment of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity.
    In that section, “there is no ‘opening’ to unions between people of the same sex, as some people erroneously claim,” Morandi said in an interview with Vatican News published Dec. 20.

    https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/cdf-secretary-anthropology-and-scripture-docuмent-is-not-open-to-same-sex-unions-30867


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    Re: Biblical Commission: Are ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ unions no longer condemnable?
    « Reply #35 on: December 22, 2019, 07:44:31 AM »
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  • Slouching towards sedevacantism yet?   ;)

    If these guys are Catholic, then I am a monkey's uncle.  Heck, very few Prots would recognize them as Christian.

    German "Bishops" Conference declared ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ relations to be "normal":

    https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/german-bishops-commit-to-newly-assessing-catholic-doctrine-on-ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity-and-sɛҳuąƖ-morality-82866
    Actually you mean "German" bishops........ ::)
    These are not real Germans.
    This is the problem, between the combination of Merkel sabotaging their country through mass illegal immigration and  genocidal border-less policies , the romans fαɢɢօtizing their flock and the Jєωs still sucking the life out of their banks and economy while polluting and corrupting every aspect of their culture, it's only a matter of time before this powder-keg explodes in "Deutschland".......Again.

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    Re: Biblical Commission: Are ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ unions no longer condemnable?
    « Reply #36 on: December 22, 2019, 06:49:39 PM »
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  • The apostate part of the Church is now by hook or crook joining itself to the world. When it does, it will be given over to world powers to create a world church. All who join will be condemned. Only a very small remnant will be left who will hide waiting for the end of this age by fire.

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    Re: Biblical Commission: Are ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ unions no longer condemnable?
    « Reply #37 on: December 22, 2019, 08:08:04 PM »
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  • This is nothing but cognitive dissonance to me.  Square peg into round hole. Mental gymnastics.
    If he is a true shepherd, then there is no need to "compromise on (Catholic) principle".
    I guess I don't see why I even have to reason it out that far.  Or why we're guaranteed not to have shepherds that won't deceive us in their non infallible teachings.  (And the only citations for this are themselves fallible, you can't prove it from Trent or Vatican I or anything of similar weight)