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Tony La Rosa: Benedict XVI Is the True Pope!
« on: October 16, 2019, 11:26:50 PM »
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    Benedict XVI Is the True Pope!

    Dear Friends,

    I now hold that Benedict XVI is the true pope.  Please download here a paper I wrote to defend this position.

    I thank Fr. Paul Kramer, Br. Alexis Bugnolo, Veri Catholici, Eric GaJєωski, and others who have helped me understand this.  They have publicly acknowledged that Benedict XVI is the true pope for quite some time and have persistently defended this position despite the strong opposition.

    Yours in Jesus, Mary, and Joseph,
    Tony La Rosa
    "I think that he [Pope Benedict] was pushed... he semi-resigned... he didn't completely resign, he semi-resigned... he made way for another pope to take his place... but he kept, nevertheless, the white habit, he kept various things of the Papacy." - Bishop Williamson


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    Re: Tony La Rosa: Benedict XVI Is the True Pope!
    « Reply #1 on: October 16, 2019, 11:28:37 PM »
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  • https://www.ecclesiamilitans.com/2019/10/16/diagram-of-the-office-of-the-papacy-in-relation-to-the-february-11-2013-declaratio-of-pope-benedict-xvi/


    Diagram of the Office of the Papacy in Relation to the February 11, 2013 Declaratio of Pope Benedict XVI
    This post is related to the paper I wrote that may be downloaded from this link.

    l have drawn up a diagram, which you can see below and download here, to assist people in obtaining a better understanding of the office of the papacy and its relation to the February 11, 2013 Declaratio of Pope Benedict XVI.  I hope it helps.
    "I think that he [Pope Benedict] was pushed... he semi-resigned... he didn't completely resign, he semi-resigned... he made way for another pope to take his place... but he kept, nevertheless, the white habit, he kept various things of the Papacy." - Bishop Williamson


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    Re: Tony La Rosa: Benedict XVI Is the True Pope!
    « Reply #2 on: October 16, 2019, 11:46:54 PM »
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  • [Bishop Tissier de Mallerais]:  "Well, for instance, that this Pope [Benedict XVI] has professed heresies in the past!  He has professed heresies!  I do not know whether he still does."

    Source: https://www.remnantnewspaper.com/Archives/archive-2006-0430-tissier.htm

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    Re: Tony La Rosa: Benedict XVI Is the True Pope!
    « Reply #3 on: October 17, 2019, 08:03:46 AM »
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  • I won't say that Archbishop Lefebvre hated Ratzinger but let's just say that Ratzinger was his nemesis.  It's ironic that anyone who loves the archbishop would look to Ratzinger for comfort.

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    Re: Tony La Rosa: Benedict XVI Is the True Pope!
    « Reply #4 on: October 17, 2019, 10:41:41 AM »
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  • Ah, now someone can start a new topic, which, I speculate may run to around 7000 views and 500 comments.  That topic would deal with the question of who is really the true anti-pope, Ratzinger or Bergoglio.  LOL. ;)


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    Re: Tony La Rosa: Benedict XVI Is the True Pope!
    « Reply #5 on: October 17, 2019, 03:25:59 PM »
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    I now hold that Benedict XVI is the true pope.  Please download here a paper I wrote to defend this position.

    I thank Fr. Paul Kramer, Br. Alexis Bugnolo, Veri Catholici, Eric GaJєωski, and others who have helped me understand this.  They have publicly acknowledged that Benedict XVI is the true pope for quite some time and have persistently defended this position despite the strong opposition.
    Tony La Rosa


    I can understand following this or that great personage (especially a bishop, several intelligent and holy priests, a Trad religious order, etc.) but GaJєωski? He's a complete nobody!

    GaJєωski has NO seminary training, no competence in canon law, theology, Vatican II, the Trad movement, etc. and is literally living in his parents' home because he has no gainful employment or career. Even as a layman Trad blogger he's at the bottom of the barrel, having been caught buying "popularity" on the black market to boost the appearance of his Social Media "empire". He's a complete fraud.

    He is practically a homeless bum. In a photo I saw of him a few years ago, he was unshaved, wore a sweatshirt "hoodie", and has been long-term unemployed with no marketable skills or experience even though he is middle age (in his late 30's at least).
    Not exactly a horse I'd hitch my wagon up to, but to each his own I guess!

    And who adheres to the unpopular, much disputed opinion of a pure choleric like Fr. Kramer? Cholerics make good leaders sometimes, but they often go off course (see: Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer). They generally don't make good administrators, thinkers, or planners. They have strong emotions. Cholerics aren't known for their careful, objective reasoning and clear thinking!

    If the only person I could point to for "why I follow this position" had a fiery, pure choleric temperament, I'd be a bit uneasy to say the least.

    I've never heard of the others, but considering Tony La Rosa's standard for credibility -- it's logical to at least SUSPECT they're in the same "class" or category as Eric GaJєωski.
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    Re: Tony La Rosa: Benedict XVI Is the True Pope!
    « Reply #6 on: October 17, 2019, 03:35:59 PM »
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  • I forgot to add, Eric GaJєωski thinks he's literally the Great Catholic Monarch who will appear during the End Times and fight the Antichrist.

    Funny how one of the greatest kings in history is currently an unemployed bum living in the proverbial "mom's basement". Ha!

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    Re: Tony La Rosa: Benedict XVI Is the True Pope!
    « Reply #7 on: October 18, 2019, 07:42:39 AM »
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  • As for the position itself (Benevacantism -- the belief that Pope Benedict is still pope), I can only say

    1. It's fringe
    2. It has been adopted by NO great minds of our present day. The men you listed are NOT great minds!
    3. Benedict very publicly resigned the papacy, and even if the didn't use the right words, he obviously intended to resign -- he has never spoken up that "what happened" wasn't legitimate, etc. He has de-facto resigned the papacy at least.
    4. Benedict wasn't exactly an awesome pope -- he was no Pope Francis, but he was as bad as any Post-Vatican II pope. So Benevacantism changes nothing regarding the Crisis in the Church.
    5. I heard the Pope Emeritus was in bad health, and he is certainly getting very old. Many (most? all?) news organizations have an obituary written up for him already. In a few years, we won't have to have this argument -- but will all the Benevacantists become sedevacantist at that point?
    6. If Tony la Rosa did become sedevacantist in a few years, it would suit his modus operandi -- namely, his head spinning around like a top. I hope when it stops spinning it's facing forwards (to quote a great Catholic movie)
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    Re: Tony La Rosa: Benedict XVI Is the True Pope!
    « Reply #8 on: October 18, 2019, 07:54:37 AM »
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  • The simplest refutation of so-called Bene-Vacantism is that H.H. Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI has himself often openly stated that Pope Francis is Pope. E.g. elsewhere we saw "The Pope is one, it is Francis,” Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI said in an interview with an Italian magazine published byCorriere Della Sera June 28."

    The second refutation comes from universal acceptance. Fr. Boulet had used it to refute the so-called Siri Thesis, very much like this idea, and the same applies here: " the most important reason why we must discard the "Pope Siri" theory is the fundamental principle that a peaceful acceptance of a pope by the Universal Church is the infallible sign and effect of a valid election. All theologians agree on that point. Cardinal Billot says: "God may allow that a vacancy of the Apostolic See last for a while. He may also permit that some doubt be risen about the legitimacy of such or such election. However, God will never allow the whole Church to recognize as Pontiff someone who is not really and lawfully.  Thus, as long as a pope is accepted by the Church, and united with her like the head is united to the body, one can no longer raise any doubt about a possible defective election… For the universal acceptance of the Church heals in the root any vitiated election."21

    There is a third reason, which will become evident in 5 years or so, but we will leave it at that fir now.
    "We wish also to make amends for the insults to which Your Vicar on earth and Your Priests are everywhere subjected [above all by schismatic sedevacantists - Nishant Xavier], for the profanation, by conscious neglect or Terrible Acts of Sacrilege, of the very Sacrament of Your Divine Love; and lastly for the Public Crimes of Nations who resist the Rights and The Teaching Authority of the Church which You have founded." - Act of Reparation to the Sacred Heart of Lord Jesus.

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    Re: Tony La Rosa: Benedict XVI Is the True Pope!
    « Reply #9 on: October 18, 2019, 07:59:29 AM »
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  • 3. Benedict very publicly resigned the papacy, and even if the didn't use the right words, he obviously intended to resign -- he has never spoken up that "what happened" wasn't legitimate, etc. He has de-facto resigned the papacy at least.

    Benedict has repeatedly affirmed that he has resigned ... in no uncertain terms.  This theory is just utter hogwash.  When he said that he was retaining a function, he was clearly talking about hanging around the Vatican and supporting the pope, mostly through prayer.  Some speculate that he has stayed in the Vatican to continue to enjoy the diplomatic immunity of living there, since there were some attempts to charge him for the abuse scandals.  But there is zero indication that he meant to retain anything of the actual papacy.  He clearly stated in his resignation, to make sure there was no uncertainty, that he was vacating the office to the point that a new conclave would need to be held.  Assuming, for a second, that he did somehow in his own brain mean to bifurcate the papacy, it's not possible to do so.  So if he said for there to be a new conclave, then he was clearly handing off the papacy.

    Conspiracy Theorists:  "You really meant in your own mind not to completely give up the papacy."
    Benedict:  "No, I did not."
    Conspiracy Theorists:  "Yes, you did."

    Look, IF there is something like this going on in his head, the Church can only go by what's evident in the external forum.  If he SAYS he resigned, then he resigned.  Period.  End of story.  Speculation about something in his brain is meaningless.

    All this talk about him wanting to continue the munus ... he was talking about the "service or prayer" ...
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    where I could retire to continue in my way the service of prayer
    He was saying that he could continue to serve the Church by prayer, and not saying that he would retain the service/office of the papacy.

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    Re: Tony La Rosa: Benedict XVI Is the True Pope!
    « Reply #10 on: October 18, 2019, 08:06:10 AM »
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  • Benedict EXPLICITLY debunked the notion that there are two popes or that the papacy was divided:
    https://catholicherald.co.uk/magazine/overlooked-benedict-reaffirms-that-francis-is-pope/
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    The Pope is one; [he] is Francis.

    We can only go by what he says.  Here he's clearly debunking the two popes theories or the split papacy theory.

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    In 2014, Benedict said “There is absolutely no doubt regarding the validity of my renunciation of the Petrine ministry.” It was “simply absurd” to think otherwise, Benedict said in a blunt statement.

    Yet he felt the need to state it again – showing that, at least in Italy, conspiracy theories continue to swirl over his resignation.

    He's explicitly addressing and rejecting the conspiracy theories.


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    Re: Tony La Rosa: Benedict XVI Is the True Pope!
    « Reply #11 on: October 18, 2019, 08:15:42 AM »
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  • As was discussed on the other recent thread, it's a mortal sin against the Faith, to refuse to recognize, once one has full knowledge of dogmatic fact teaching, that Pope Benedict XVI truly was Pope in April 2005. 

    "Second: Pope Benedict XVI was validly elected Roman Pontiff on April 19, 2005 A. D., just three days after his 78th birthday.

    This is a dogmatic fact, which cannot be denied."

    That much is true, but that much and that much only. The above also means that sedes who reject His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI necessarily commit a mortal sin ipso facto in doing so. If God judged them as they presume rashly to judge God's Vicar, they would be "manifest heretics outside the Church" themselves. However much or little their subjective culpability may be, denying that Pope Benedict XVI was Pope in 2005 is objectively a mortal sin, and therefore, once known, should be explicitly confessed and repented of.

    But by and for a similar reason, all can know, with solid certainty, Pope Francis surely was Pope in March 2013.
    "We wish also to make amends for the insults to which Your Vicar on earth and Your Priests are everywhere subjected [above all by schismatic sedevacantists - Nishant Xavier], for the profanation, by conscious neglect or Terrible Acts of Sacrilege, of the very Sacrament of Your Divine Love; and lastly for the Public Crimes of Nations who resist the Rights and The Teaching Authority of the Church which You have founded." - Act of Reparation to the Sacred Heart of Lord Jesus.

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    Re: Tony La Rosa: Benedict XVI Is the True Pope!
    « Reply #12 on: October 18, 2019, 08:55:41 AM »
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  • As was discussed on the other recent thread, it's a mortal sin against the Faith, to refuse to recognize, once one has full knowledge of dogmatic fact teaching, that Pope Benedict XVI truly was Pope in April 2005.

    "Second: Pope Benedict XVI was validly elected Roman Pontiff on April 19, 2005 A. D., just three days after his 78th birthday.

    This is a dogmatic fact, which cannot be denied."

    That much is true, but that much and that much only. The above also means that sedes who reject His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI necessarily commit a mortal sin ipso facto in doing so. If God judged them as they presume rashly to judge God's Vicar, they would be "manifest heretics outside the Church" themselves. However much or little their subjective culpability may be, denying that Pope Benedict XVI was Pope in 2005 is objectively a mortal sin, and therefore, once known, should be explicitly confessed and repented of.

    But by and for a similar reason, all can know, with solid certainty, Pope Francis surely was Pope in March 2013.

    I am still inclined to endorse this opinion.

    While having conceded the point regarding Archbishop Lefebvre and his tolerance of people privately entertaining the possibility of sedevacantism, the authority I spoke with was less certain on the matter of dogmatic facts and the pope.

    I got the impression from his sudden interjection when I raised the issue that he himself had not yet internalized that issue, and when he said he would have to go back and study the manuals, it rather confirmed that opinion.

    Yet, I also concede Ladislaus’s argument:

    If in fact the identity of Francis (or JPII) is a dogmatic fact, and therefore binding, how could Archbishop Lefebvre say things which implied sedevacantism was a possibility here and now?

    The authority I spoke with seemed to think -while still wanting to review, and not coming to a definitive judgment in the matter- that the theologians unanimously erred (ie., “they could not have foreseen the possibility of a crisis of this magnitude.”). Against this explanation is a quote from QVD in my apology/retraction thread which shows that at least one of them did.

    My conclusion is that although I am persuaded by the unanimous consent argument, and cannot see how such consent could not have existed for the conciliar popes, nevertheless, I am uncomfortably trapped by Ladislaus’s observation, for which I have no good response:

    If I say Francis’ papacy is not a dogmatic fact, I reject the unanimous opinion of minds much greater than mine, but if I say it is a dogmatic fact then I would appear to be at odds with Lefebvre (who I would have to acknowledge implicitly rejected a dogmatic fact by acknowledging the possibility of sedevacantism, and privately tolerating that opinion).

    The only solutions I can conceive of (none of which are particularly persuasive) are:

    1) There is some yet to be explained reason why the pre-conciliar popes were dogmatic facts, and the conciliar and post-conciliar popes were/are not;

    2) Archbishop Lefebvre was wrong;

    3) The unanimous consent of theologians was wrong.

    I sense the solution lies somewhere within #1?
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: Tony La Rosa: Benedict XVI Is the True Pope!
    « Reply #13 on: October 18, 2019, 10:00:20 AM »
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    The only solutions I can conceive of (none of which are particularly persuasive) are:

    1) There is some yet to be explained reason why the pre-conciliar popes were dogmatic facts, and the conciliar and post-conciliar popes were/are not;

    2) Archbishop Lefebvre was wrong;

    3) The unanimous consent of theologians was wrong.

    I sense the solution lies somewhere within #1?
    Agree, the solution is regarding #1.  Firstly, it is often argued that John XXIII and Paul VI might have been freemasons.  There is circuмstantial evidence for this accusation, yet considering that freemasons are the only ones who could provide DIRECT confirmation, such confirmation is a pipe dream.  Further, we know that in the early 1900s, when Pope St Pius X was pope, that the Church was infiltrated.  How much more so was there infiltration in the 1960s, which V2 proved was a sizable %, being that the orthodox cardinals were outmaneuvered and outvoted many times?  The % then was probably close to 40-50%.  (It is now probably 80-90%). 
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    Being that a normally-functioning Vatican, of the past ages, would be filled with 99-100% of orthodox officials (Cardinals and all others), then such "rumors" concerning John XXIII and Paul VI would have come to light long before the conclave, and they wouldn't have even been considered as papal candidates (probably would've been excommunicated just based on the rumors/scandal).  So, it is easy to say that the circuмstantial evidence and persistent rumors of masonic connections gives way to a doubt about these popes.
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    In regards to JPII and Benedict and Francis, while the rumors of masonic connections are less, the evidence for heresy and unorthodox beliefs/act BEFORE they were elected is just as high.  You can go pull up pictures of Francis having public prayer services with Jєωs and protestants while in Argentina.  Benedict confirmed his heresy by his own hand, in the many books he wrote.  JPII left all kinds of pictures and anecdotes from his priestly "hippie" days of the 70s.  So it is easy to say that none of these men were 100% orthodox even long before they were elected pope.  A normal, orthodox church would've put these men on the "unelectable" list (or again, they would've been excommunicated long ago...or better, never been allowed to enter a seminary).
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    Conclusion - The communist/masonic infiltration since the late 1800s, has watered-down the orthodoxy of the Vatican.  Thus, the normally orthodox clergy is outnumbered, and so the internal "self regulating" aspect of the Church is compromised.  Since the infiltration, the Church has experienced a cινιℓ ωαr against truth.  All those infiltrators stick together and lie to protect their own, while the orthodox officials are left to try to protect and preach what Truth is still uncompromised.  But as in all wars, the hardest aspect is to figure out what is true and what is disinformation.  Without proof, without a functioning orthodox church, the evidence needed to convict and punish heretics/evil men is gone.  Such is how the infiltrators have succeeded (for the time being) at gaining the high places of control.  But this situation gives much doubt about the papacy for the last 60 years.  Such doubts and such a "lack of institutional control" have never existed in the Church's history, til now.  This is the difference imo.

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    Re: Tony La Rosa: Benedict XVI Is the True Pope!
    « Reply #14 on: October 18, 2019, 10:06:51 AM »
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  • Benedict EXPLICITLY debunked the notion that there are two popes or that the papacy was divided:
    https://catholicherald.co.uk/magazine/overlooked-benedict-reaffirms-that-francis-is-pope/
    We can only go by what he says.  Here he's clearly debunking the two popes theories or the split papacy theory.

    He's explicitly addressing and rejecting the conspiracy theories.
    This is the main argument why I don't believe Benedict is still pope.
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