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  • Great post. The worst that they can accuse sedevacantists of is Schism, but as I’ve posted multiple times in the past:

    Sedevacantists are not schismatic even if mistaken 
    It's 2025 (almost 2026)....can we all put down the pitchforks and recognize that the last 30 years of battles between R&R (i.e. +Fellay, the pro-new-rome boy) and "extreme" Sedevacantism (i.e. Fr Cekada, Bishop Dolan) are over?

    The divide should be over.  Let's move on, from Boomerism, pig-headedness, "market share" thinking, and close-mindedness.

    30 years has proven this Trad civil-war solves nothing.

    (+ABL's R&R) vs (sedevacantism)...who cares?  Valid priests, valid sacraments == TraditionTHAT'S WHAT MATTERS.

    Let's all grow up, be more mature than the Boomers and move on.  Tradition depends on it.

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  • It's 2025 (almost 2026)....can we all put down the pitchforks and recognize that the last 30 years of battles between R&R (i.e. +Fellay, the pro-new-rome boy) and "extreme" Sedevacantism (i.e. Fr Cekada, Bishop Dolan) are over?

    The divide should be over.  Let's move on, from Boomerism, pig-headedness, "market share" thinking, and close-mindedness.

    30 years has proven this Trad civil-war solves nothing.

    (+ABL's R&R) vs (sedevacantism)...who cares?  Valid priests, valid sacraments == TraditionTHAT'S WHAT MATTERS.

    Let's all grow up, be more mature than the Boomers and move on.  Tradition depends on it.

    Yes, that's why I advocate a return to a simpler time in the history of the Traditional Movement. When sedevacantism was limited to PERSONAL OPINION and PRIVATE SPECULATION, not one's whole identity.
    When sedevacantists sat next to non-sedevacantists at the same Traditional chapels. Because it was just an opinion; why WOULDN'T they attend the same chapels?

    Just like the gαys make a perverted hobby their whole identity -- I see a similar situation with some Sedevacantists, who make a single private theological opinion on the Crisis into their whole identity. They embrace the whole "sede culture": aloofness from other Trads, sectarianism, condemnation and attacks on non-sedes, etc.

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  • It's 2025 (almost 2026)....can we all put down the pitchforks and recognize that the last 30 years of battles between R&R (i.e. +Fellay, the pro-new-rome boy) and "extreme" Sedevacantism (i.e. Fr Cekada, Bishop Dolan) are over?

    The divide should be over.  Let's move on, from Boomerism, pig-headedness, "market share" thinking, and close-mindedness.

    30 years has proven this Trad civil-war solves nothing.

    (+ABL's R&R) vs (sedevacantism)...who cares?  Valid priests, valid sacraments == TraditionTHAT'S WHAT MATTERS.

    Let's all grow up, be more mature than the Boomers and move on.  Tradition depends on it.
    Faith precedes the sacraments; it is the virtue of Faith and the Catholic doctrine that are primary. The sacraments presuppose Faith and are fruitful only inasmuch as the Faith is held.







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  • Yes, that's why I advocate a return to a simpler time in the history of the Traditional Movement. When sedevacantism was limited to PERSONAL OPINION and PRIVATE SPECULATION, not one's whole identity.
    When sedevacantists sat next to non-sedevacantists at the same Traditional chapels. Because it was just an opinion; why WOULDN'T they attend the same chapels?

    Just like the gαys make a perverted hobby their whole identity -- I see a similar situation with some Sedevacantists, who make a single private theological opinion on the Crisis into their whole identity. They embrace the whole "sede culture": aloofness from other Trads, sectarianism, condemnation and attacks on non-sedes, etc.
    I agree 100%.   But…I think the pro-sspx side needs to start “calling a spade a spade” and say the v2 popes are heretics (ie like Fr Chazal did).  

    The new-sspx’ers who WANT TO BE INDULT will revolt at the idea of calling the pope a heretic (mostly, due to human respect).

    The classic-sspx’ers who FOLLOW +ABL, have no problem calling V2 a heresy and all those V2 popes as horrible heretics.  

    The time has come for classic-sspx’ers to stand for Tradition and reject indultism, compromise and +Fellay’s lies.  

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  • I asked you directly about R&R’s failure of adherence to the dogma of submission to the Roman Pontiff. 
    Change your name to valley BOOMER.  YOUR VIEW IS OLD AND TIRED.  Quit being divisive in areas of unknown theology. 


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  • I don’t see “traditional Catholicism” as some big tent where we all hold hands and sing kumbaya - where it is seemingly okay that some of us are affirming grossly heretical positions because “we’re all traditional man! What’s important is that we stand up to the modernists!”

    Heresy is heresy and heresy is evil. It must be called out. There isn’t five different faiths, there is ONE Catholic faith.
    You don’t know history.  Trads in the 70s/80s were united against V2.  That was the enemy.  Not each other. 

    I get that the new/sspx is quasi-indult and that makes things complicated. 

    But if you find an issue with MATTHEW, who’s as far removed from the new/sspx (without being a Sede) as can be, the problem is YOU.  Your view is NEW.  IT’S DIVISIVE.  IT’S STUPID.  

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  • (+ABL's R&R) vs (sedevacantism)...who cares?  Valid priests, valid sacraments == TraditionTHAT'S WHAT MATTERS.

    You mean R&R vs +ABL’s sedevacantism surely 
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  • You mean R&R vs +ABL’s sedevacantism surely
    :facepalm:  Doesn't matter.  Are these camps against V2 and the new mass?  Then, they are Trads.  Forget the OLD labels.  The new label should be: 

    Trad = anti-V2, anti-new mass, anti-new-sacraments.

    MATTA == Make All Traditionalists, Traditional again.


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  • :facepalm:  Doesn't matter.  Are these camps against V2 and the new mass?  Then, they are Trads.  Forget the OLD labels.  The new label should be: 

    Trad = anti-V2, anti-new mass, anti-new-sacraments.

    MATTA == Make All Traditionalists, Traditional again.
    I understand where you are coming from, but I am not as eager as you to be tradcuмenical. There are important truths of the Faith, which as traditionalists, fall on us to safeguard — since no one else will. One of these Truths is that submission to the Roman Pontiff is necessary for salvation. To say that a man is the Vicar of Christ and proceed to ignore all of his authority is to carry with you a schismatic mentality. There is a monkey on your back. Such an obvious contradiction that immediately makes R&R untenable.

    Am I going to anathematize everyone who attends the SSPX? Obviously not. But for the sake of intellectual consistency, can we just finally admit that R&R spawned from convenience over serious scrutiny of the issues? Has anyone here (in 2025) organically and independently come to the R&R position with the hindsight of the past 60 years of the crisis in mind? I don’t think so. It was a half-baked, manufactured expedient then, and still is today
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  • You mean R&R vs +ABL’s sedevacantism surely

    +ABL's sedevacantism?

    Isn't that kind of like saying "Crayolcold's h0Ɩ0cαųst museum"?

    Because neither of those things exist (I hope).
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