So interesting that TGK has an unbridled and undying support for the satanic, heretical, and pro ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ novus ordo church. No sane traditional minded Catholic would attack with such utter contempt a true Catholic bishop who tried to help the faithful even into his octogenarian years, while exempting any criticism of his pro homo “pope” and “hierarchy”.

I can only conclude one of three things: 1) He isn’t sane (this is the most charitable) 2) He is not traditional minded, but actually a NO infiltrator 3) He is not a Catholic, but is actually a evil person looking to sow discord among real Catholics.

Bishop williamson use to say that sedevacantism and the novus ordo are two sides of the same coin

So interesting that TGK has an unbridled and undying support for the satanic, heretical, and pro ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ novus ordo church.

Is that even true?  It sounds like some kind of rhetoric or exaggeration to me, spoken during the heat of an argument.

I thought TGK was Trad, albeit arguing with various members of the forum. I certainly haven't seen anything pro-Novus Ordo from him.
Enlighten me?

Is that even true?  It sounds like some kind of rhetoric or exaggeration to me, spoken during the heat of an argument.

I thought TGK was Trad, albeit arguing with various members of the forum. I certainly haven't seen anything pro-Novus Ordo from him.
Enlighten me?

Well, I look at it this way, he believes that the pervert Mr. Prevost is a true pope. The Pope, by definition, is the Vicar of Christ and the head of the Catholic Church on Earth. Now, if he believes that Mr. Prevost is *the* pope then by logical conclusion he must be the head of the Catholic Church. Right? All Catholics must submit to the pope or they are guilty, at the very least, of schism.

Is the Catholic Church synonymous with the NO church? Obviously not, since the principle of non contradiction would apply. The Catholic Church cannot teach any error in Her laws, liturgy, nor Her disciplinary norms. The NO church is a living cesspit of filth which officially teaches error and heresy on a daily basis in all of those categories.

TGK, being the “good Catholic” that he is, submits to his “pope” Mr. Prevost. I don’t believe that any person in the world, including all traditional minded Catholics, would doubt that Mr. Prevost is the head of the NO church. Thus, I’m forced to conclude that TGK (charitably assuming that his sanity is questionable) supports, at least by acknowledgment, the evil NO church which he erroneously believes to be the Catholic Church.

Let me explain something to you. You can't connect the dots or draw all the conclusions that way. You just can't do it, otherwise there is no discussion between the groups. Both sides condemn the other side to hell, and that's the end of it. It's not that simple!

Your little syllogism sounds pretty airtight. But watch this --

Christ promised "The gates of hell shall not prevail against it"
But sedevacantists claim we haven't had a Pope in 62+ years.
Therefore sedevacantists deny Christ's promise.

The Church teaches that the Pope is the highest office, which has no earthly judge.
But Sedevacantists throw out whatever popes they judge to be in heresy.
Therefore they are, de facto, higher than the Pope(s), since they can depose him (them).

You see, it's not that simple. You will find that sedevacantists have *at least as many* unanswered questions (weaknesses, Achilles' Heels) as other positions. None of the positions are simple, airtight, or perfect. If any of them solved the Crisis and answered all the difficult questions satisfactorily, it would follow that at least all men of good will with a decent IQ would have adopted that position! But that is not what we observe in the real world. Ergo.

And my favorite argument:

The solution to the Crisis in the Church will solve the Crisis, bringing the Church back to normalcy.
But Sedevacantism as such hasn't done ANY good, over and above the good of the Traditional Movement at large, in 6 decades.
Therefore Sedevacantism is not the solution to the Crisis in the Church.


Sedevacantism is just The Traditional Movement with a dart board bearing the Pope's face, which you throw darts at. In other words, useless. I don't need that add-on. I'll take Traditional Movement Classic, thanks. That's where 100% of the good fruit is, and has always been, up to and including the present day.

Even the good fruits at various "sedevacantist" chapels today is because they are Traditional Catholic (Traditional Movement), not because they are specifically sedevacantist. That's my point.

I thought so.

You could LITERALLY say that about anyone who isn't Sedevacantist. Sorry, but Sedevacantists are not the only valid Traditional Catholics, or heirs of the Traditional Movement.

Hey Matthew can you quickly explain to us how someone who doesn’t submit to the Roman Pontiff (which is dogmatically of necessity for salvation), is a good Catholic?