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Traditional Catholic Faith => Crisis in the Church => Topic started by: spouse of Jesus on July 13, 2009, 12:51:30 AM

Title: To sedes
Post by: spouse of Jesus on July 13, 2009, 12:51:30 AM

  If a pope is a heretic he is an antipope, then all this actions, canonizations, dogmas etc. are non-binding.
 we are made aware of heresies of JPII by media. It follows that in past centuries, people couldn't always notice if a pope said anything heretical.

  Now how can you be so sure that for example the popes who declared dogmas like perpetual virginity of our Lady and EENS hadn't said or done anything heretical that wasn't written?

What if those popes who made councils of Trent and Lateran and canon of scripture were guilty of some heresy without anybody knowing it?

So is there any 1% possibilty that dogmas be false since the popes who declared them could 1% be heretics?

You see that it is a fallacy

Title: To sedes
Post by: gladius_veritatis on July 14, 2009, 02:09:49 AM

Quote from: spouse of Jesus

What if those popes who made councils of Trent and Lateran and canon of scripture were guilty of some heresy without anybody knowing it?

Such would not fill the bill where the definition of public heresy is concerned.  It is only through public heresy that a man can lose his office.

Title: To sedes
Post by: gladius_veritatis on July 16, 2009, 07:25:44 AM

I know this has dropped off the radar, but I wanted to bump it for the benefit of 'spouse' and/or others.

Title: To sedes
Post by: spouse of Jesus on July 16, 2009, 09:06:48 AM

 Thank you Gladius!
But it is because of media that their heresies is made public today, not because of any supernatural cause.
So do you mean that the man-made media (which can make a heresy public and make a pope invalid) is so important in our salvation plan?

Title: To sedes
Post by: CM on August 02, 2009, 01:56:13 AM

Of course it IS!  Books are 'man-made media' spouse.  Is the Bible important to our salvation plan?  Scrolls of parchment are 'man-made media'.  Were the Scriptures not important to the Israelites of old?

So would the Israelites be allowed to use your argument?  If a certain high priest writing scrolls saying that Baal was actually just another form of the true God of Abraham, and that people who worshiped Baal were pleasing to the God of Abraham, would you ignore this 'man-made media'?  What if then in the ѕуηαgσgυє you heard him say the same thing?  You would know that he is no Israelite, but an apostate from the true God.