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Re: To Sedes: Time's Running Out to Elect a New Pope!!!
« Reply #60 on: February 23, 2021, 01:53:57 PM »

Mispost.

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Re: To Sedes: Time's Running Out to Elect a New Pope!!!
« Reply #61 on: February 23, 2021, 03:14:50 PM »
No, R&R do not claim we that we can bypass the very magisterium (teachings) that is our rule of faith.

Yeah, yeah, I know, you have redefined Magisterium into a tautology, where the "false" teachings of the papal claimants are not actually Magisterium.  If it's true, then it's Magisterium; if it's false, then it's not.

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Re: To Sedes: Time's Running Out to Elect a New Pope!!!
« Reply #62 on: February 23, 2021, 03:43:24 PM »
Yeah, yeah, I know, you have redefined Magisterium into a tautology, where the "false" teachings of the papal claimants are not actually Magisterium.  If it's true, then it's Magisterium; if it's false, then it's not.

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The definition of circular reasoning.

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Re: To Sedes: Time's Running Out to Elect a New Pope!!!
« Reply #63 on: February 23, 2021, 03:54:46 PM »
Yeah, yeah, I know, you have redefined Magisterium into a tautology, where the "false" teachings of the papal claimants are not actually Magisterium.  If it's true, then it's Magisterium; if it's false, then it's not.

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Wrong yet again.

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Re: To Sedes: Time's Running Out to Elect a New Pope!!!
« Reply #64 on: February 24, 2021, 05:47:34 AM »
I just read through some of Drews posts.  He affirms one truth but denies another.  Dogmas are the material rule of faith - since they are the material object of faith - but the infallible authority of the Church is the formal rule, or at least the proximate formal rule.

The formal object of the remote rule of faith is God the Revealer; the material object of the remote rule are all the truths God has publicly revealed, as contained in Scripture and Tradition.

God the Revealer is who we believe by faith; dogmas are what we believe by faith; and the infallible authority of the Divinely instituted Teacher of revealed truths is why we believe them by faith.
Agree 100%, as long as it is understood that here, it is the Church that is the Divinely instituted Teacher, not the pope. The pope(s) is the authority whose duty it is to defend, preserve and promulge all those teachings revealed from God the Revealer and not the originator of the revealed truths.

What is most often denied or forgotten in all of this is that Christ and the Church are one, they are one and the same. I believe this is one of the sticking points to the idea that the pope is the rule of faith as it does not differentiate between the pope and the Church, or the pope and God (the Revealer). If it could actually be that the pope and the Church are one and the same, then the idea  that the pope is the rule of faith might have some merit.  

My edit of your second paragraph above....
"The formal object of the remote rule of faith is God the Revealer; the material object of the remote rule are all the truths God has publicly revealed through the Church, as contained in Scripture and Tradition".